Comments | carolinelamb: Re: Is Tom Hiddleston’s Loki gay?

carolinelamb

Re: Is Tom Hiddleston’s Loki gay?

May 17, 2013 11:39

Of course he is :D but the interesting question is, did Tom Hiddleston deliberately play him gay? Was it intentional? I can't trust my own instincts since I am a slash lover, and to me 99,9% of men are gay or bi, (even The Beau, who I tried to match with some of my gay friends and encourage to experiment with his better looking friends ( Read more... )

tom hiddleston, movie, loki, film, gay, thor, marvel, the avengers

Comments 10

shiv5468 May 17 2013, 07:00:47 UTC

I think that post is pretty appalling in assuming that gay maps to effeminacy, that gay men aren't muscled or aggressive, and pretty much doesn't realise that much of what is referred to as effeminacy is actually Englishness.

carolinelamb May 17 2013, 08:10:22 UTC

I understood that the writer of this post made a point of differentiating actual LGBT reality from how Hollywood portrays gay characters. She didn't say that gay men are effeminate but that in Hollywood movies they often are depicted as such, especially in movies or films that are aimed at a heteronormative mainstream.

shiv5468 May 17 2013, 08:13:33 UTC

I didn't get that. But even if that was the point, then the point should be to challenge that kind of lazy stereotyping, not endorse it and start getting wet in the knickers over it.

And the speech patterns remain English not gay, for any given value of reading gay.

carolinelamb May 17 2013, 08:42:35 UTC

Now clearly, being camp does not make someone gay, nor does being gay necessitate someone is camp (am gay here, btw). But this is not real life, it is a film, and when you make the choice of playing a character in a certain style it is for a reason.

Although getting wet in the knickers :D over something is kind of a really nice state I don't get wet over the stereotyping but the fact that for once my own preferences are (possibly) aligned with the actual characterisation, which happens rarely enough.

Yes, aside from that, it is necessary that Hollywood doesn't enforce stereotypes of any kind. I didn't agree with the writer about the speech pattern, because English is not my mother tongue, but my third language. There is also a Hollywood cliché about how gay people speak, and I didn't see/hear this. (The only thing I felt with Tom Hiddleston's Loki was that he and Thor seem to have different accents. Or maybe not.)

I don't agree with that poster. a_c_fiorucci May 18 2013, 00:28:45 UTC

I don't see this camp, effeminate, weak character they are talking about in the movie I watched. And I don't think any of the points they raise make any indication of sexual preference. (How many women did Loki interact with? His mother, his beloved brother's best buddy, one of his jailers, and an enemy combatant. Not a great collection of romantic potential! Not much choice for men, either, all things considered.)

Re: I don't agree with that poster. carolinelamb May 18 2013, 03:04:47 UTC

I don't agree that the way Loki talks is camp ( I think that was at least partly an argumentation in the poster's mini-essay) because I can't judge that very well-my English isn't good enough to hear these nuances ( ... )

lokifan May 20 2013, 14:11:11 UTC

I'm English myself and I did not get 'gay' from any of Loki's speech patterns or gestures at ALL, even Hollywood!gay. (Nor does Hiddleston strike me as camp at all.) Like, Loki doesn't strike me as being especially "not a hair out of place" - Thor, Sif, Hogun etc are the same ( ... )

carolinelamb May 20 2013, 16:54:10 UTC

Yes, the speech pattern thing is an argument I can't really take in consideration.

I don't want to begin by re-phrasing the poster's post, and "defend" when she/he clearly used an unsustainable argument.

(ALSO: About that word "camp"... I once thought "camp" means ... somehow related to "camping" and being "outdoors" ... so I thought people who are described as "camp" love the outdoors. So much to my language skills ( ... )

lokifan May 20 2013, 17:19:39 UTC

That belief that Odin is disappointed in Loki exists in Loki's perception-it's what he says to his father before Odin goes to sleep.

Well yeah, that's not fanon. What I said was it's fanon that he's disappointed specifically because he doesn't find Loki masculine enough. And yeah, it's not that I think Loki's close to the W4 - I definitely think they're Thor's friends, not his - and I don't think he's especially popular in Asgard, but again that's not because of the Jotun thing.

Not sure if that rape threat can be a proof for either his homosexuality or the contrary.Agreed. I brought it up because it is a moment when Loki's sexuality is at least mentioned, as opposed to him being a total blank slate, but I think it can be interpreted in loads of ways. Totally agree that it's a threat against Thor and to give him another Real Villain moment rather than any kind of useful statement on Loki's preferences ( ... )

carolinelamb May 21 2013, 04:48:48 UTC

What I said was it's fanon that he's disappointed specifically because he doesn't find Loki masculine enough. Yes, but this kind of hint we only get in movies that are either spefically aimed at an LGBT audience or have the homosexuality of an character as a main theme, which was neither the case with Loki. It's only hinted at ( ... )