Lies and citizenship

[allhatnocattle]

Canada strips two men of their citizenship. I didn't know we did this. Since 1977, Canada has stripped 54 people of citizenship. Seven of those cases related to the Second World War.

I'm interested if anyone knows how the cases of Oberlander and Fast came to the attention of the authorities. This article indicates that at least Oberlander has been

Comments

[kali_kali]

It goes without saying that having an uptight Conservative government has something to do with it.I'm not sure if you're meaning that quote to refer to the citizenship revokation of Oberlander and Fast, but I can assure you that their cases have absolutely nothing to do with the Conservative government (this one at least), these cases have been going on for decades

[allhatnocattle]

Thanks.
The Jewish Tribune article (granted it's a few years old) targets 4 alleged Nazi collaborators, including these two, calling for their citizenships to be revoked. They blame a lack of political will, which would have been Liberal at the time of the article.

Liberals are, well, liberal in thought and deed. As such they would be more likely to forgive and forget decades old war criminals that have been otherwise law abiding citizens, at least in their time spent here. Conservatives on the other hand are conservative and as such are more uptight about such things.

This was a government decision involving at the very least Justice Minister Rob Nicholson and Immigration Minister Diane Finley. Andrew Telegdi, a Liberal MP from Waterloo who has long demanded a complete reworking of the Citizenship Act, said the federal cabinet shouldn't be involved in citizenship issues such as Oberlander's. "This is a total abuse of power," he said. "No politician should have that type of power."

[kdborg]

Liberals would want anyone accused of a war crime to face punishment. If that meant someone losing Canadian citizenship, so be it!

[mijopo]

Really, did you read this in the liberal rule book?

[mijopo]

Yeah, I'm a little torn over this one. On the on one hand, I never like naturalized citizenships to have a de facto lower status than the citizenship of native born citizens. If naturalized citizenship can be revoked and a naturalized one can't, then it is, in fact, second class status

[allhatnocattle]

Just because one is born and has heritage here, can we not revoke their citizenship? I'ld love the government to set a precedent for that... say for Pig Farmer or Paul Bernardo.

[mijopo]

I don't think they could revoke the citizenship of a native-born citizen, but I'm not sure. I'm sure international courts have ruled on such matters, it was a big issue in the WW2 era.

[allhatnocattle]

See I don't think we have two-tier citizenship in this country, although I could be wrong. See the reason Pig Farmer (I don't like humanizing the guy with a name) keeps his citizenship and folks who lied on their immigration forms loose theirs is because it's a breach of the contract. Pig Farmer was born here so it's impossible to break a contract that says you get citizenship if you were born here. But the same contract says the other way to get citizenship is to apply truthfully. I think if you said you were born here but actually were born elsewhere you would have your citizenship revoked in the same manner.

[jawnbc]

People who lied about the role in crimes against humanities should be stripped of their citizenship, regardless of their age, if it can be proven. Ship 'em out.

[hendrikboom]

If they're going to be tried for something, let it be for their role in the crimes against humanity.

[jawnbc]

I don't want Canada to be the soft and easy landing for scumbags. If they hadn't lied, they wouldn't've been admitted. They should be unadmitted.

[allhatnocattle]

I don't want to defend any scumbags but 60 years of being law-abiding hardly qualifies a person for such a harsh label. It appears these ex-Nazi's have been reformed and are not much of a threat to society. I do not want to be a revenge based society. I feel that's purposeless.

Granted there are many elderly law-abiders who are vile and distasteful human beings, but those are my judgments of them and not a court's. My judgment says the Khadr's and a number of other that should go. There's quite a few people I don't want here defiling my Canada.

But I agree that "If they hadn't lied, they wouldn't've been admitted." Therefore they should be unadmitted.

[hendrikboom]

Let's laugh and cry and laugh and cry about it all again.

[mijopo]

yes, it's time that we began

[allhatnocattle]

I forget to pray for the angel
And then the angels forget to pray for us.

[siphre]

a Nazi named Jacob? Instering.

[siphre]

Many German Jews have German names but for a Nazi to have a Jewish name, that's kind of odd.

[allhatnocattle]

That is odd. I didn't think of that. But it's a given name not a surname.