Lies and citizenship

May 25, 2007 04:11

Canada strips two men of their citizenship. I didn't know we did this. Since 1977, Canada has stripped 54 people of citizenship. Seven of those cases related to the Second World War.

I'm interested if anyone knows how the cases of Oberlander and Fast came to the attention of the authorities. This article indicates that at least Oberlander has been ( Read more... )

citizenship, immigration

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jawnbc May 25 2007, 16:16:59 UTC
People who lied about the role in crimes against humanities should be stripped of their citizenship, regardless of their age, if it can be proven. Ship 'em out.

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hendrikboom May 26 2007, 02:30:23 UTC
If they're going to be tried for something, let it be for their role in the crimes against humanity.

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jawnbc May 26 2007, 03:35:30 UTC
I don't want Canada to be the soft and easy landing for scumbags. If they hadn't lied, they wouldn't've been admitted. They should be unadmitted.

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allhatnocattle May 26 2007, 08:14:51 UTC
I don't want to defend any scumbags but 60 years of being law-abiding hardly qualifies a person for such a harsh label. It appears these ex-Nazi's have been reformed and are not much of a threat to society. I do not want to be a revenge based society. I feel that's purposeless.

Granted there are many elderly law-abiders who are vile and distasteful human beings, but those are my judgments of them and not a court's. My judgment says the Khadr's and a number of other that should go. There's quite a few people I don't want here defiling my Canada.

But I agree that "If they hadn't lied, they wouldn't've been admitted." Therefore they should be unadmitted.

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allhatnocattle May 26 2007, 16:24:10 UTC
Statute of limitations. But we have courts with a whole range of discretion. Had this gone through the courts, the judge would have considered that a 90yr old with Alztimers isn't much of a threat to anyone. A judge would have considered 60yr.s of living in Canada is an important factor because possession is 9/10's of the law. Because it went through two cabinet ministers politics were most certainly played. Partially to show lying on citizenship papers is a serious crime that can't be tolerated. But partially to appease the Jewish lobby on this witchhunt, because making large lobbies happy is just something that MP's do.

I'm not making excuses or defending these ex-Nazi's, but as kali_kali points out we don't know the defense side of the argument. At least I can't seem to google it. Guilt by simple association is unfair. It's something I brought up regarding the Hells Angels MC ( ... )

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allhatnocattle May 27 2007, 14:33:26 UTC
But 60yr.s ago Canada was a much different place. So many people have come out of the closet since then. I'm not sure Immigration would have accepted a mixed-race couple, anyone openly GLBT, or refugees from Africa (especially if it was from a fellow Commonwealth nation). I mean can we really apply the same standard today as we did then ( ... )

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harry_beast May 26 2007, 22:45:18 UTC
Canada is already the soft and easy landing for scumbags. Of course, advocating for any sort of critical examination of the immigration process will get you branded as a racist or an Albertan.

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kali_kali May 26 2007, 04:43:41 UTC
The thing is though, it isn't proven ( ... )

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