So, you have seen the finale and are literally months ahead of me, but I just saw 4.10 last week and wanted to chat about it:
I have this vague sense that maaaaybe Castiel's not too into this 'kill Anna' thing. It's his resigned face of angel woobie. Just a hunch. Call me nutty.
Castiel is so on the ‘human’ side in all this. He’s bonding with the boys, or at least with Dean. While Uriel is a creep!
"He's not my real father" and "My real father is mad, very mad. He wants to kill me." [Rewatch: *facepalm* Oh.]
Um, okay, starting to get very twitchy at the portrayal of God here. I’m part of the God=Love way of thinking, rather than the God=smiting, so an angry God who wants to kill disobedient children, that’s just so pre-Jesus.
Pam caught up fast on the other-than-sight perception bus. She's only been blind for two months. That's... interesting....
She is a psychic, so she was already using “sight” beyond eye-sight. That would have given her a head start.
Angel. ....Oookaaaay.... A fallen angel, which would make her a demon
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continued ...charis_kalosMay 18 2009, 01:31:09 UTC
Ooo. What does Sam have to do?? Please let it not be boink Ruby.
Which he’s been doing using coma girl’s dead body - ugh. Did he stop when Dean came back?
She fell because of emotions? Angels don't get emotions?
Huh? Again, turning to the Catholics, apparently angels are full of love. They literally “adore” Jesus - that’s part of their role in life. They care for and protect human beings. And given the nature of God, love and forgiveness should be as much a part of their lives as of human lives, even if chocolate cake and sex (love the order Anna gives them in) aren’t.
Four have seen God. Yep. And if the show's following the same wiki page I am, Uriel's one of them.Okay, this is the point at which the SPN-verse definitely leaves Christianity behind. For one thing, Christianity is all about the Incarnation and the Trinity, so God is intimately present, first incarnate as Jesus, then through the Holy Spirit who is God’s continuing presence with humanity. So, if God hasn’t been seen for millennia, we’re not in a Christian world.
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Re: continued ...caffienekittyMay 18 2009, 08:41:35 UTC
Which he’s been doing using coma girl’s dead body - ugh. Did he stop when Dean came back?
As a fellow spoilerphobe, I am honour-bound to say nothing either way. :-)
Okay, this is the point at which the SPN-verse definitely leaves Christianity behind.
It's definitely a non-New Testament cosmogony they're drawing from. Viewing the show this season from within a strongly religious standpoint would rankle in many spots, I think. Maintaining objectivity in the face of feeling like your belief system is being misrepresented is always tough. The Wiccans have certainly had a hard time of it.
I just need to switch off the Christian theologian bit of my brain and enjoy Show for what it is. Which isn’t theology.
Yes, exactly. I think Show not being theology is probably a good thing. But at the same time, the Christian theologian perspective is a fascinating one. :-) There's apparently an article on it up somewhere (spoilers through 4.22, unfortunately) delving into the representation of Judeo-Christian stuff on the show.
Re: continued ...charis_kalosMay 19 2009, 03:55:32 UTC
It's actually really hard to switch the theologian part of my brain off when Show uses "angels", "demons", "Uriel", "Lucifer" - all of which have biblical roots. Some part of my brain just can't get over thinking the characters on the Show should resemble in some way the ones I know from the Bible.
Lilith, on the other hand, is Jewish haggadah, so I don't have so much invested in her, and Castiel is traditional rather than biblical, so I can just enjoy him as a character.
(And part of me is a wee bit worried that some people will think that this is Christianity. I guess Wiccans would have the same problem.)
We're now seeing an episode a week - last night was 4.11 without any hiatus.
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I have this vague sense that maaaaybe Castiel's not too into this 'kill Anna' thing. It's his resigned face of angel woobie. Just a hunch. Call me nutty.
Castiel is so on the ‘human’ side in all this. He’s bonding with the boys, or at least with Dean. While Uriel is a creep!
"He's not my real father" and "My real father is mad, very mad. He wants to kill me." [Rewatch: *facepalm* Oh.]
Um, okay, starting to get very twitchy at the portrayal of God here. I’m part of the God=Love way of thinking, rather than the God=smiting, so an angry God who wants to kill disobedient children, that’s just so pre-Jesus.
Pam caught up fast on the other-than-sight perception bus. She's only been blind for two months. That's... interesting....
She is a psychic, so she was already using “sight” beyond eye-sight. That would have given her a head start.
Angel. ....Oookaaaay.... A fallen angel, which would make her a demon ( ... )
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Which he’s been doing using coma girl’s dead body - ugh. Did he stop when Dean came back?
She fell because of emotions? Angels don't get emotions?
Huh? Again, turning to the Catholics, apparently angels are full of love. They literally “adore” Jesus - that’s part of their role in life. They care for and protect human beings. And given the nature of God, love and forgiveness should be as much a part of their lives as of human lives, even if chocolate cake and sex (love the order Anna gives them in) aren’t.
Four have seen God. Yep. And if the show's following the same wiki page I am, Uriel's one of them.Okay, this is the point at which the SPN-verse definitely leaves Christianity behind. For one thing, Christianity is all about the Incarnation and the Trinity, so God is intimately present, first incarnate as Jesus, then through the Holy Spirit who is God’s continuing presence with humanity. So, if God hasn’t been seen for millennia, we’re not in a Christian world. ( ... )
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As a fellow spoilerphobe, I am honour-bound to say nothing either way. :-)
Okay, this is the point at which the SPN-verse definitely leaves Christianity behind.
It's definitely a non-New Testament cosmogony they're drawing from. Viewing the show this season from within a strongly religious standpoint would rankle in many spots, I think. Maintaining objectivity in the face of feeling like your belief system is being misrepresented is always tough. The Wiccans have certainly had a hard time of it.
I just need to switch off the Christian theologian bit of my brain and enjoy Show for what it is. Which isn’t theology.
Yes, exactly. I think Show not being theology is probably a good thing. But at the same time, the Christian theologian perspective is a fascinating one. :-) There's apparently an article on it up somewhere (spoilers through 4.22, unfortunately) delving into the representation of Judeo-Christian stuff on the show.
Load of crap. ( ... )
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Lilith, on the other hand, is Jewish haggadah, so I don't have so much invested in her, and Castiel is traditional rather than biblical, so I can just enjoy him as a character.
(And part of me is a wee bit worried that some people will think that this is Christianity. I guess Wiccans would have the same problem.)
We're now seeing an episode a week - last night was 4.11 without any hiatus.
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