Reaction: Supernatural 4.10 -Reaction, Meta, Nitpickery, Speculation and Snark
Neither RL crap, nor power failure, nor, nor, uh, anything else will keep me from reacting to this episode. *swats everything away* Shoo!
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I have this vague sense that maaaaybe Castiel's not too into this 'kill Anna' thing. It's his resigned face of angel woobie. Just a hunch. Call me nutty.
Castiel is so on the ‘human’ side in all this. He’s bonding with the boys, or at least with Dean. While Uriel is a creep!
"He's not my real father" and "My real father is mad, very mad. He wants to kill me." [Rewatch: *facepalm* Oh.]
Um, okay, starting to get very twitchy at the portrayal of God here. I’m part of the God=Love way of thinking, rather than the God=smiting, so an angry God who wants to kill disobedient children, that’s just so pre-Jesus.
Pam caught up fast on the other-than-sight perception bus. She's only been blind for two months. That's... interesting....
She is a psychic, so she was already using “sight” beyond eye-sight. That would have given her a head start.
Angel. ....Oookaaaay.... A fallen angel, which would make her a demon ( ... )
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Which he’s been doing using coma girl’s dead body - ugh. Did he stop when Dean came back?
She fell because of emotions? Angels don't get emotions?
Huh? Again, turning to the Catholics, apparently angels are full of love. They literally “adore” Jesus - that’s part of their role in life. They care for and protect human beings. And given the nature of God, love and forgiveness should be as much a part of their lives as of human lives, even if chocolate cake and sex (love the order Anna gives them in) aren’t.
Four have seen God. Yep. And if the show's following the same wiki page I am, Uriel's one of them.Okay, this is the point at which the SPN-verse definitely leaves Christianity behind. For one thing, Christianity is all about the Incarnation and the Trinity, so God is intimately present, first incarnate as Jesus, then through the Holy Spirit who is God’s continuing presence with humanity. So, if God hasn’t been seen for millennia, we’re not in a Christian world. ( ... )
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As a fellow spoilerphobe, I am honour-bound to say nothing either way. :-)
Okay, this is the point at which the SPN-verse definitely leaves Christianity behind.
It's definitely a non-New Testament cosmogony they're drawing from. Viewing the show this season from within a strongly religious standpoint would rankle in many spots, I think. Maintaining objectivity in the face of feeling like your belief system is being misrepresented is always tough. The Wiccans have certainly had a hard time of it.
I just need to switch off the Christian theologian bit of my brain and enjoy Show for what it is. Which isn’t theology.
Yes, exactly. I think Show not being theology is probably a good thing. But at the same time, the Christian theologian perspective is a fascinating one. :-) There's apparently an article on it up somewhere (spoilers through 4.22, unfortunately) delving into the representation of Judeo-Christian stuff on the show.
Load of crap. ( ... )
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Lilith, on the other hand, is Jewish haggadah, so I don't have so much invested in her, and Castiel is traditional rather than biblical, so I can just enjoy him as a character.
(And part of me is a wee bit worried that some people will think that this is Christianity. I guess Wiccans would have the same problem.)
We're now seeing an episode a week - last night was 4.11 without any hiatus.
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And it would be tough for you, because, to over-simplify, it's part of your job and daily life to know these things. If show started throwing Canadian tax preparation or bookkeeping around I'd be disoriented too. Actually a lot of people would likely be disriented. o.O
(And part of me is a wee bit worried that some people will think that this is Christianity. I guess Wiccans would have the same problem.)
Yeah, that would be the heart of it. Same as Islamic faiths being depicted in political thriller series and movies. It's clear to most that fiction is one thing and reality is another, but to some who are looking for any reason to hold a prejudice or maintain a closed mind... yeah. :-/
We're now seeing an episode a week - last night was 4.11 without any hiatus.
You've seen 4.11 then?
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It might just be because I've been sitting at this desk working on Sunday's service for hours and I'm a little stir-crazy, but this almost made me fall off my chair laughing. Yes - I want Show to have the boys doing their taxes! Or doing someone else's taxes. Let one of their false identities come back and bite them with tax avoidance issues!
You've seen 4.11 then?Yes, and (I say proudly) about ten minutes in I texted yasminke and said: "She's the incestuous daughter of the dead daughter and her now-dead father and she's been hidden in the walls - or am I just remembering that case in Austria?" And then I was right and Dean referenced the Austrian case. But I didn't pick up the brother ( ... )
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*snerk* It'd really take something for the IRS to track them down.
But I didn't pick up the brother.
I picked him up when the camera flashed past that drawing on the wall in the basement and there were two figures in blood.
The part at the end, with Dean? They've broken Dean! I don't believe he freely "enjoyed" it - they broke him. And I just want to hug him and make him all better. Can't Castiel do some heavy-duty forgiving round about now?
*says nothing* *says a whoooooole lot of nothing*
So, a week at a time, hm?
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Depictions of real-world religions and deities on TV shows always make me twitchy, because it's someone's deeply held belief system. Show hasn't done the Wiccans and Pagans any favours either.
I went and checked out my Catechism of the Catholic Church for help. (Have to go to the Catholics for this, because for them angels are an article of faith. My church can take them or leave them, and I personally think both angels and demons are metaphors.)
o.O Dude. *fangirls your researching*
It was full of informative things like: “Angels and men (sic), as intelligent and free creatures, have to journey towards their ultimate destinies by their free choice and preferential love. They can therefore go astray” (311) and “The Church teaches that Satan was first a good angel, made by God: ‘The devil and the other demons ( ... )
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So by that tradition, angels would have free will.... Hm.
Absolutely! They must, or else the story of Lucifer's fall just wouldn't work. He must have been able to choose between good and evil, and then have chosen evil, or else he either couldn't have fallen, or the fall would have been beyond his control.
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Absolutely! They must, or else the story of Lucifer's fall just wouldn't work. He must have been able to choose between good and evil, and then have chosen evil, or else he either couldn't have fallen, or the fall would have been beyond his control.That makes perfect sense. I had thought there was something about Lucifer being in the first rank of angels and subsequent ones that came about after the Fall were not allowed free will, but I'm not sure where I picked that up from. Maybe something in college ( ... )
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