England's Hours of Not Quite Greatest Need

[bunn]

When thinking about England*'s Hour of Greatest Need, I started considering previous Hours of Apparently Insufficient Need.  It must be admitted though, that my knowledge of anything that happened during the period between about 1485 and 1900 is pretty appalling, so I thought I'd ask for suggestions

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[ladyofastolat]

I've always assumed it's a bit like that awesome single-use scroll or potion you pick up in an RPG - the one that you never dare use, no matter how tough the battle, in case the next battle is harder. Invariably, you reach the end of the game with the scroll or potion still in your backpack, untouched. I expect the Sleeping Heroes were counting on this, and knew that they could safely say, "Don't worry, I'll come and help you in your direst need," secure in the knowledge that nobody would ever dare call in the favour. A bit like keeping a dinner service "for best" - although with the added complication of "best" having to be decided by politicians.

If the Sleeping Heroes were seriously planning on coming along to help, they'd have set up some sort of rota system by which each one handled a different crisis, ideally one well-suited to their skill set. Drake could handle Dunkirk, perhaps, but a Sleeping King would be a better fit for something like the Anarchy or the Wars of the Roses, when he could come in sweep away all the bickering

[bunn]

I'm now wondering if there should be a Hero Bank of heroes cross-referenced by skillset. Wellinghall seems to feel a cricket one is required, for example.

[ladyofastolat]

That's a very good idea. Also a checklist for each hero listing his own personal definition of an Hour of Need. It would be quite embarrassing to carefully select your cricket-playing, seafaring, pure-at-heart warlord, only for him to say, "You call that an Hour of Need? Pah! That's only a Mild Difficulty. I'm going back to bed!"

[bunn]

I've just thought of one completely obvious omission from the List of Sleeping Heroes : James Bond.

James Bond HAS to be an on-call Sleeping Hero with particularly low standards of Hour of Need. This explains a lot!

[wellinghall]

28/29 August, 1882

[bunn]

I wonder if that list of sleeping kings is missing a mention of Donald Bradman...? :-D

[wellinghall]

There have certainly been times this summer when A

[wellinghall]

Gah, my phone keeps interrupting LJ comments part-way through! As I meant to say - there have certainly been times when Australia would have liked his help this summer.

[ladyofastolat]

I'm not being too picky about national definitions here

It suddenly occurs to me that maybe we should be picky about national definitions. Maybe that's why nobody's woken up yet. "I will return when this land is in danger!" they say, but new waves of invaders come along, and national boundaries change, and country names evolve, and "this land" as he knew it ceases to exist, so the magic is void.

It's like asking a genie for a wish: you have to be super-careful with the wording, or the whole thing falls apart.
Has any Sleeping Hero actually said, "I will return when this land, or the spiritual successor of this land, or a land whose inhabitants (or at least quite a lot of them) have DNA that shows them to be descended from my people, or an entirely new country that includes all or most of this land, is in danger?" If they did, they might have been waking up in droves for centuries.

[bunn]

But how does this affect Heroes like Glyndwr and Boabdil, who were really rather unsuccessful Heroes, and wandered off going 'Back in a tick!' leaving the Land behind?

I think Wales is Wales is Cymru, but if Glyn Dwr didn't manage to evict the English in 1406, he really can't argue he hasn't had ample opportunity to try again...

[ladyofastolat]

Perhaps these aren't true Sleeping Heroes, merely unsuccessful heroes who co-opted the whole Sleeping Hero mythos to excuse their failures. "I haven't really failed! I... er, am just popping out for a moment, and I'll return soon to bring you victory!" they say, before sloping off with the firm intention of never ever coming back again.

[marycatelli]

Just because the drum will do it in the hour of need doesn't mean it won't do it at other times.

[bunn]

Yes indeed, but it does make it a less than reliable indicator on its own! Hmm, the drum is going again. Is England in peril, or has someone else been given the Freedom of Plymouth? :-D

sorry, et remove aberrant apostrophe :-D

[ladyofastolat]

It does seem that the drum should have two different sounds. DOOM DOOM! for danger, and a happy rat-a-tat-tat for "Wahey! Someone's been given the Freedom of Plymouth." It would help prevent embarrassing misunderstanding.

And now I'm suddenly wondering if the Drums in the Deep were actually sounding in happy because someone had been granted the Freedom of Moria, but were tragically misinterpreted as being menacing.

[bunn]

I'm thinking the Freedom of Plymouth one should go 'rat ratatatat tat... tat tat!' :-D

Not sure a side drum *can* go 'doom' can it? I think that might be more of a kettle drum thing.