Thanks for the link, it nice to learn more and IMHO, this is a very good question, better than most others, even if I am not a Muslim, have to respect other people beliefs, if we want others to respect ours.
Ah geez, here I was agreeing with your rant. Then it came to this: "The vast majority of these, of course, will have come from people who are one or more of: white; American; Christian."
Now here I am, a white American, who was raised Christian (but am no longer). Here's the trouble with this offhanded comment.
This is no better than saying "Look at these idiotic responses! I bet that most of them came from black people in Africa! Oh, and they probably practice VOODOO!"
It's funny how things have become a double standard. It's okay to say hateful discriminatory things about white people now, and if anybody ever says anything about it, they must be a racist. That little statement basically rendered your rant into malarkey.
I actually find your above arguement completly flawed, you dont answer your alligations what so ever. So what if white american christians are 'priveleged' do they deserve stereotyping? are they unequal to everyone else?
You dont actually explain why you think its ok to say, without fact or evidence, that most people making negative comments are white american christians, they could be British, black and athiest (excuse the spelling) for all you know. They could be any one, and so what right do you have to complain about stereotypical remarks, and blame such remarks on a group who you cannot prove are at fault.
Double standards and twisted political correctness FTL.
Re: Haha...bronnyelspSeptember 3 2008, 20:47:17 UTC
I said the likelihood was that they are either white, or Christian, or American. I stand by that. I think if a poll was taken, I would be proven correct.
Privilege is relevant because it's recognisable. The reason I feel I can say with confidence that the majority (actually, I would hazard a guess at all) of these complaints posts were made by people who were either white OR Christian OR American and very likely two or more of those things is because I recognise privilege of this particular type very easily when I read it. I was raised around it. I know it. It stands out a mile. Now clearly, not all white people, or all Christians, or all Americans behave this way. But when this sort of behaviour arises, it's very easy to recognise from whom it is likely to come
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I'm glad I'm here in Turkey at least during part of Ramazan. I've learned quite a good deal more about it in the past few weeks - from students and other people. And I've already had somewhat of an iftar when I was at this cafe near my house; the owners are friends of mine (and other teachers) and he invited me over with a few people to partake in some food - and he wouldn't take no for an answer! I won't be fasting, but some of my fellow teachers are doing it to experience how it is like for Muslims.
It makes me so angry to read some of these answers! I don't know how many are by Americans, but I'm sure there are quite a few which are. Evidence to back up my nervousness about the upcoming election.
I'm almost wondering how much of culture shock I'll have upon my return to the US!
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i went to istanbul just this last summer, and i'm so glad i finally got to see it!
anyway, i hope you won't mind if i add you; i appreciate intelligence~
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Now here I am, a white American, who was raised Christian (but am no longer). Here's the trouble with this offhanded comment.
This is no better than saying "Look at these idiotic responses! I bet that most of them came from black people in Africa! Oh, and they probably practice VOODOO!"
It's funny how things have become a double standard. It's okay to say hateful discriminatory things about white people now, and if anybody ever says anything about it, they must be a racist. That little statement basically rendered your rant into malarkey.
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You dont actually explain why you think its ok to say, without fact or evidence, that most people making negative comments are white american christians, they could be British, black and athiest (excuse the spelling) for all you know. They could be any one, and so what right do you have to complain about stereotypical remarks, and blame such remarks on a group who you cannot prove are at fault.
Double standards and twisted political correctness FTL.
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Privilege is relevant because it's recognisable. The reason I feel I can say with confidence that the majority (actually, I would hazard a guess at all) of these complaints posts were made by people who were either white OR Christian OR American and very likely two or more of those things is because I recognise privilege of this particular type very easily when I read it. I was raised around it. I know it. It stands out a mile. Now clearly, not all white people, or all Christians, or all Americans behave this way. But when this sort of behaviour arises, it's very easy to recognise from whom it is likely to come ( ... )
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It makes me so angry to read some of these answers! I don't know how many are by Americans, but I'm sure there are quite a few which are. Evidence to back up my nervousness about the upcoming election.
I'm almost wondering how much of culture shock I'll have upon my return to the US!
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Ramazan in Turkey is amazing, isn't it? Last time I visited we broke fast outside the Blue Mosque. What a scene!
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