Comments | bop_radar: I'm one of 'those' fans.

bop_radar

I'm one of 'those' fans.

Jan 09, 2009 15:39

This is the post I've been meaning to make for a really long time. It's confession time. I have had it with Battlestar. I will be watching the rest of Season 4 because I'm a completionist and part of me needs to know just how fully and completely they massacre the show I once loved. But I may not be the chirpiest little fangirl on your f'list this ( Read more... )

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antismiles January 9 2009, 09:37:19 UTC

OMG WORD TO THE GAZILLIONTH POWER.

This is everything I wanted to say and more. Once again, you said exactly what I was thinking.

*sigh* It's sad that BSG has become the show I love to hate. Dammit, I wish I wasn't a completionist, too. :/

bop_radar January 9 2009, 22:19:25 UTC

:D :D Thanks!

You have no idea how long this post has existed in my head before I had the courage to say it. But it needed to be said before 4.5.

Completionists have it tough (but are AWESOME!).

areasontofight January 9 2009, 10:56:11 UTC

I agree with most of your comments here, though won't go through it all because what S4 did is stop me thinking about the show. I marathoned S1-3 the first time round and spent a lot of time disecting everything and working out what it all meant. I didn't hate S4, but I stopped analysing and just watched it - maybe because I knew I wouldn't like what was happening if I questioned it too much.

But the one thing I agree with completely is:

'Out of all the things that the first half of the season failed to address, the least interesting of all to me is who the Final Cylon is. You know what? I couldn't give a frak. If it's someone we don't know at all, then why would I care? And if it's someone we do know then it's not going to be a shock because we've all had lots of time to think of all the possibilities'I honestly don't care who the final one is. I'm pretty sure it'll be someone we know, and know well, but (other than hoping it's not Lee) who gives a crap?! I've gone through every character it could be so many times that I won't be ( ... )

bop_radar January 9 2009, 22:29:30 UTC

Yup, I think if I hadn't felt a responsibility to meta every week the same would have happened to me. I definitely hit the 'I don't even care' wall at some stage in 4.0 and then when I did look more closely at the eps nothing hung together. Like 'Revelations'! I remember being genuinely amazed by it on first watch because of all the fast drama and reveals. On second watch? It doesn't make sense at ALLL. It's cliched, poorly paced, and a real stretch and raises heaps of issues for the overall plotting and characterization. Sigh.

I honestly don't care who the final one is.
I KNOW, RIGHT?! I had to say this almost more than anyone else. I could not be more bored by the whole question. I feel like TPTB think this is still a big deal to us: it's not. Guess what? I've thought long and hard about what it will mean if Bill is the Final Cylon (Lame). I've thought long and hard about it being Roslin (somewhat less lame). I've thought long and hard about it being Kara (too obvious) and Lee (annoying but possible), and every other character that ( ... )

3gomez January 9 2009, 11:30:10 UTC

Oops,there's a chance I'm one of 'those' fans,too.Can I join the club,please? *smile ( ... )

bop_radar January 9 2009, 22:39:45 UTC

He and Adama were totally underused in S4
Yes, it's like they ceased to have any real agency except when whipped out of the props cupboard by the writers at the last moment to solve a plotting problem.

I'm not really a fan of the cylons,so I was not happy with all that cylon stuff.Too much of the season was about them,and I I love/enjoy the humans a lot more.
Yeah, look, me too. And halfway through the season I did think that was the only problem. But I don't think it is! I've done a lot of thinking about the Cylons since, especially because I'm so in love with the portrayal of Cameron (in Sarah Connor Chroncles) and I think it's not that my dislike of the Cylons is inherent, it's actually just that what they show us on the show about them is vague, boring and unsatisfying. I loooove the idea of the Cylons! Robots that evolve is a plot I can really get into... evil robots, check ... robots that develop consciences, check. It's just that BSG's exploration of these ideas is really half-baked.

I preferred my fleet when they where just ( ... )

3gomez January 12 2009, 13:44:40 UTC

Re:Cylons.
You do have a point.I realised it when you mentioned TSCC.
It's true that BSG did not explore them that way though.
I don't 'hate' cylons by default.Hell,I love Tigh,and he is a Cylon,too!But Ron Moore started out all 'Cylons are bad,look what they did to humans' and then did a 180 degrees turn and claimed 'Humans and Cylons,peace and understanding'.He needed to focus more on the in-between these two conditions.And develop more non-caricature cylon characters.

Re:spiritualism.
I always thought that the Adamas were sort of atheists,especially Lee.And I really liked that,because it was the counterpart to the relegious faith of others,like Kara or Roslin...I hate the idea that now,everybody has accepted that they have a destiny which leads them somewhere and they have left themselves in the mercy of that destiny.
I miss FREE WILL.

bop_radar January 13 2009, 08:07:49 UTC

then did a 180 degrees turn and claimed 'Humans and Cylons,peace and understanding'.He needed to focus more on the in-between these two conditions.
Word. It was totally do-able. He just didn't do it (in my eyes). ;)

I always thought that the Adamas were sort of atheists,especially Lee
Same. While not overtly stated in text, I think it makes character sense. And Jamie thought he was. I miss free will tremendously. Here's hoping it will stage a come-back in Season 4.5!

mskatej January 9 2009, 12:58:08 UTC

I agree with you one hundred percent.

bop_radar January 9 2009, 22:41:04 UTC

It had to be said.

cosetteferaud January 9 2009, 13:35:16 UTC

Ouch! That hurt :). As you know, I’m a newish BSG fan; I mean, I discovered the show a year ago and I marathoned S1-3. Then I watched season 4 in real time and, despite that it is not my favorite season at all, I am still excited about the show and its endgame. I guess that I am in a different place than you right now, but I can perfectly understand your disappointment because you have been here for so long; and I think you finally burned out: he previous hiatus was so long and, after that, season 4 was a weird season (I wouldn’t state that it was a bad season but it is true that it left too many unanswered questions and some character characterizations were not well-handled). So even if I am still hopeful and excited, I must confess that I agree with most of the points you mention here:

By mid-season I felt like Kara was not a character any more so much as a puppet for the writers to push the plot development they wanted.I completely agree with you here. I always considered myself a Kara girl. I fall for her practically from the ( ... )

bop_radar January 9 2009, 22:54:36 UTC

Oh no! *rushes to reassure* I worried about making this post because I did not want to upset anyone and I know there are new fans like you and taragel very much in first flush of love with the show. And I don't want to put out that flame! Because it IS a very good show. I still completely understand why people love it and once season 4 is over, I will go back to loving it unreservedly, even if that means that I deny the existence of seasons 3 and 4. ;) The first couple of seasons are some of the best television ever.

Yes, the long hiatuses did not help. *nods*

couldn’t understand all her craziness during the Demetrius story arch, and right now I am totally clueless about how she feels about Lee -and Sam- anymoreIt was really interesting watching the Kara fans in season 4. They all seemed to 'lose touch' with her at some point--though not all at the same times. They seemed to lose that instinctive thread of understanding between them and Kara that made them be able to explain exactly what was going on with her to those of us that never ( ... )