Battlestar Galactica 4.06 Faith

May 11, 2008 16:51

I haven't been talking about it. I've been afraid to do so. But I've been really struggling with Battlestar this season. If you're feeling the love, you probably want to skip by this post.

cut for discussion of 'Faith' and general Season 4 issues )

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bop_radar May 11 2008, 11:25:38 UTC
It used to be good, skuf! HONESTLY! *clings* :(
How are you finding it? Compelling or batshit? I'm intrigued to know how a new fan is finding it.

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bop_radar May 11 2008, 11:57:05 UTC
Ah. Good! Yes that is undeniable. Despite my current disappointment with the show I still think it has some stand out female characters and it's had provided some GLORIOUS moments of television.

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wisteria_ May 11 2008, 11:30:32 UTC
I need to get some sleep, but I wanted to offer hugs and say that all this made me really sad, though I understand why you feel that way.

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bop_radar May 11 2008, 11:33:17 UTC
Thank you. I have been very quiet about BSG of late. I thought I should shut up about my bleak view, but it was eating me alive and I kind of just needed to get it all out there, you know? I don't want to bring anyone else down though. *conflicted*

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daybreak777 May 11 2008, 12:20:52 UTC
Hey! You did not drown my squee! As long as Kara and Gaeta live to fight another day on BSG, I will be squeeful! (Though this week was close for my little Gaeta.) So no guilt, Boppy!

As we discussed, you could be wrong about the ending. Probably not, but who knows?

I also expected that the show would, at some stage, explore the ways in which the humans were responsible for the creation of the Cylons in the first place.
That would be cool. I don't know, they still could do this. I hope so ( ... )

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bop_radar May 11 2008, 21:59:11 UTC
because on rewatch I've largely come to accept individual Cylons like Sharon-Athena and of course, I still love Colonel Tigh even when sometimes I completely disapprove of him and I love the Chief
That's really interesting: the individual Cylons worked on you! They were SO the wrong people to pick for me!! I don't care about any of them. I'd happily kill them all off. I'd find some of their deaths moving but I would be fine with them dying as part of the end of the show. And I think I am THE ONLY ONE THAT FEELS THIS WAY.

The only ones I sort of care about are Caprica and Athena, and I could live with them being sacrificed if it had to come to that.

I don't think it's psychologically or emotionally real to think that the HUMANS could forget and forgive the genocide in such a short span of time as the show's
It's not.

I fear that RDM is heading towards some kind of Cylon-Human Reconciliation. That stuff takes DECADES and is never truly resolved in the first generation of survivors, IMO.He is ( ... )

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bop_radar May 13 2008, 09:08:44 UTC
I hope you didn't mind me quoting you: your comment really resonated with me.

As for Caprica and Athena, I can certainly tolerate them, and I appreciate that they have, as individuals, changed, but I still don’t really care that much for either of them, and would also happily sacrifice them too :P
Yup, same. At the same time, I'd be fine with the humans coming to fully accept them as individuals. But it's the process of generalising from the individuals to the collective that worries me (but I think you fully understand that).

am trying hard to think of real-world examples where this happened in the span of a few yearsRwanda is the main situation I can think of. There are some war trials, I know, but not that many people have been convicted and people who carried out the attrocities are definitely living side by side with those who were the victims--many of the perpetrators who initially fled the country have returned. I don't honestly know how successful reconciliation is there, but I know it's a necessity ( ... )

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latteaddict May 11 2008, 12:54:57 UTC
You poor thing! I hate it when the show squashes my enjoyment and things happen that can't unhappen and you know that even if you stick with it it'll never be the same - been there done that. You know if we didn't love it so much it would never disappoint so drastically ( ... )

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bop_radar May 11 2008, 23:33:46 UTC
you know that even if you stick with it it'll never be the same - been there done that. You know if we didn't love it so much it would never disappoint so drastically.
Yup. :( It can't be undone, it's true. I know you know what that's like. Like you, I had high hopes for the show, but though I've modified my hopes several times since the beginning it's only been in these past weeks that I've realised there's no possibility of a satisfactory ending for me. Before I always held out hope that the end could redeem things.

These days I just hope for great Kara moments. And just her smile and laughter totally made this episode for me. I'm obviously easily pleased.I think that's what I need to do too. I need to pull back from the show as a whole and just become a shallow Lee fangirl. He makes me happy, if he's on screen being great, I *will* be happy (and I'm sure the timing of my malaise has a lot to do with him NOT being on screen). I feel sad that I can't enjoy the show as a whole, but if I can hang on tight to Lee, I might enjoy the ( ... )

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latteaddict May 12 2008, 12:01:37 UTC
hey Bop, I just finished listening to Ron's podcast for Escape Velocity http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/downloads/podcast.php and Ron talks quite a bit about monotheism/polytheism throughout the whole thing. He also mentions quite a few things about Lee too and some scenes that were supposed to take place. If you haven't already listened, maybe it will help answer some of your questions about the religion in BSG.

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bop_radar May 13 2008, 09:16:33 UTC
Thank you! That's so kind of you to think of me. It does sound intriguing and I haven't listened to it yet.

quite a few things about Lee too and some scenes that were supposed to take place
Heh, that'd be right... *grumbles* One of the things I find hard to stomach about the podcasts is how RDM's always 'oh we had this great plan' (or great scene or whatever) and then we changed it/didn't have time.

I'll steel myself and give it a go!

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