Plagiarism in Bloodclaim: the Verdict is Guilty
spikes_kogagirl, now an ex-member of bloodclaim, has been added to the list of known plagiarists over at stop_plagiarism for plagiarising a Spander classic, Twilight Time, by Shadow. Tweaked chunks of Shadow's story turned up in spikes_kogagirl's two chapter Spander fic, 'Mending Souls' which was removed from her journal shortly after I contacted her.
As previously mentioned here, on the 5th of October, a bloodclaim regular got in touch to tell me about a potential case of plagiarism. Someone had written a first chapter that was worryingly similar, in parts, to the Spander classic, Twilight Time, by Shadow. I took a quick look, sighed, and then took a much, much longer one. The evidence, IMO, was overwhelming.
Read the full body of evidence here at stop_plagiarism, or just take a look at the most damning paragraph below:
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Twilight Time (Chapter 1)
Now, before you get too muzzy, toddle over to the loo and take a piss, all right?"
"Huh?" Xander wasn't too fuzzy to gape at Spike's words.
"Want to make sure there's no blood in your urine, Pet," Spike said patiently. "All that bruising over your kidneys, might be a problem. Go on now."
It took Xander a few minutes to relax enough to urinate, and when he did he let out a hollow groan. There was indeed a trace of blood in his urine, but Spike, who over a century or so had become pretty damned familiar with human physiology, could tell it wasn't serious.
"Well, I'm sure it don't feel any too good, but you'll heal up on your own," Spike said with satisfaction. "Here, you can put these on now." He helped Xander step into a pair of black silk boxers and carefully pulled them up.
Mending Souls (cap 1x6)
Spike moved away from Xander, “first, though, piss.”
Xander stared at Spike a moment and blinked, why did the idea of Spike striping his ass make him shiver? But wait, what did Spike say again, “What-huh?”
“I said piss, all that bruising around your kidneys might be a problem.” Spike ordered as he stood by.
“Joy, just what I need, the evil undead watching me piss. I can cross that off my “never want to do again” list.” Xander, however, complied and stood over the toilet. He let out a hollow groan as the stream started and there was, in fact, a trace of blood in his urine.
“Right, you should be fine. Not much there, it should heal up on its own. Now, toddle off to bed.”
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It took almost a week for the case to get its own mod, and then the post went live and the mod got to work. And then we waited.
Partway through last week, almost 5 weeks after the whole mess kicked off, spikes_kogagirl commented on one of the supportive comments I'd received on my stop_plagiarism post (but not replied to, so as not to fan any flames), and left a familiar 'You don't know the whole story!' tale.
It didn't even occur to me at the time that maybe she'd just had a preview of the verdict, but, the next day, she created a new Spander comm, and then shortly afterwards, the mod at stop_plagiarism froze the comments on my post there to prevent any incipient wank before saying she'd have the verdict post up very shortly. (Shortly turned out to be almost 2 weeks, btw, and actually came in on Saturday night when, as you know, I wasn't there to see it. *headdesk*)
This new Spander comm has a very special plagiarism policy. From what I can understand, it seems to be saying that you're allowed to plagiarise once, so long as it's not too obvious and you change the bits she tells you to if she catches you. But if it's a simple copy and paste job, or you do it again, then she's telling stop_plagiarism! *blinks*
The comm has several co-mods now, who may or may not have known about the (accusation of) plagiarism at the time, but I do know that this plagiarism policy was put in place before any of them were added, and that they may not be fully aware of how that policy reads to people who do know.
Personally, I'm more amused and bemused than worried that she's going to steal all the Spander fen out from under me and bloodclaim. I have no intention of either penalising anyone who joins that comm, or checking up on whether or not they remain with bloodclaim. This is hardly the first Spander comm that's been created since bloodclaim became popular and we've survived. Hell, it's not even the first one to be created after someone left bloodclaim in a snit over some heinous crime I've committed as mod. You all know how terribly vicious and cruel I can be. :P
Anyway, the verdict finally went up on Saturday, while I was away from lj and the internet. (And isn't that just typical?) The post is currently locked to s_p members, but I am reproducing the opening and closing paragraphs of the mod, archylou below:
A number of things were taken into consideration when looking at this case, the most prominent issue was that of ‘fanon’. Where plotlines have been taken by the fandom and made in to fanfiction canon, this does mean that there can be similarities in many stories over. However, in reviewing both stories I found there were a number of similarities in the stories that cannot be put down to simply random chance, there are whole paragraphs and conversations, slightly reworked and reworded, specific phrases and sentences from the original story appearing in the new story.
(...)
The main issues:
• The phrase “Undead's not bad, but dead's no fun at all” is from Twilight Time and when I searched this phrase it returned only 1 match, this story. While the phrase “Undead is alright, but dead is no fun at all” brings back a match of 0. This is not a common phrase and points to rewording of an original story.
• The telephone conversation between Angel and Spike, both in language and how it is written.
• A specific mention within both stories Xander’s telling Spike of getting to first base without a date
• The mention of chicken soup tasting good because Spike made it and the use of the words “slurp, then talk” and “crunch, then slurp”
The use of a certain plot for a fanfiction story is not the issue, the plot in these two stories can be seen in a number of Spike/Xander stories, it was the issue of similarities in sentences, structure and some of the same lines being used in a new story that can be found in an older story that was the only concern. I have communicated with all parties involved, I understand the new story was removed immediately after they were made aware of the concerns, with spikes_kogagirl offering to rewrite the story.
However, as outlined above spikes_kogagirl may not have intended to plagiarise the story but in this case spikes_kogagirl will be added to the known list of plagiarists.
In other words: Guilty as charged. (I'll leave it to each of you to decide whether or not you believe that that level of similarity can be completely unintentional.)
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This whole mess has left me more sure than ever that I made the right decision when I set policy at bloodclaim. I know there are a lot of people out there who don't want to have to deal with emotional blackmail, accusations of deliberate cruelty, malicious 'prosecution' and harassment, etc. And I know there are a lot of people who, very simply, cannot cope with that kind of pressure, or even the possibility of the same.
I know I can take the shit, even when it does leave me shaky and pinging friends on YIM in need of reassurance and petting. *hugs everyone who provided support*
Despite what certain people may think, stop_plagiarism is not my automatic first stop as a mod/intermediary. I have, on more than one occasion, approached an author of a fic which had one or more small points of troubling similarity. Each time, I have been able to rectify the situation amicably and, on one occasion, make the author aware that what she was intending to do did, in fact, amount to plagiarism, whether or not she 'changed most of the words'.
stop_plagiarism is where I go as a mod if there is too much evidence for me to ever believe it was unintentional, coincidental, or a 'mistake'. When I know in my heart that nothing the author is going to say will convince me that they haven't stolen someone else's words, then I will go to stop_plagiarism with screencaps and saved html and a list of every similarity I can find, and I will let them decide.
I will never allow someone to delete or edit or otherwise hide a true piece of plagiarism and walk away without being called to account. Not only does that let them off the hook, it turns me into an accomplice. You do the crime, you do the time, even if the 'time' is nothing more than having your name added to a list on stop_plagiarism's profile page and having your plagiarism documented for everyone to see.
I am, frankly, boggled that anyone could believe they'd get away with butchering parts of a classic like Twilight Time at all, let alone for another Spander fic. Cross-fandom plagiarists are being caught all the damn time, so this is just... *boggles some more*
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Please feel free to discuss in comments, but DO NOT troll or otherwise bother spikes_kogagirl. This post is here to inform you of the decision, so that you can review the evidence for yourselves, and so that anyone even considering doing anything similar will know that THIS IS WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO YOU IF YOU PLAGIARISE AND SOMEONE FINDS OUT ABOUT IT.
(FYI, This is a slightly edited version of a post I just made on my personal journal.)
ETA: The stop_plagiarism post has been unlocked, edited and ETA'd
As previously mentioned here, on the 5th of October, a bloodclaim regular got in touch to tell me about a potential case of plagiarism. Someone had written a first chapter that was worryingly similar, in parts, to the Spander classic, Twilight Time, by Shadow. I took a quick look, sighed, and then took a much, much longer one. The evidence, IMO, was overwhelming.
Read the full body of evidence here at stop_plagiarism, or just take a look at the most damning paragraph below:
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Twilight Time (Chapter 1)
Now, before you get too muzzy, toddle over to the loo and take a piss, all right?"
"Huh?" Xander wasn't too fuzzy to gape at Spike's words.
"Want to make sure there's no blood in your urine, Pet," Spike said patiently. "All that bruising over your kidneys, might be a problem. Go on now."
It took Xander a few minutes to relax enough to urinate, and when he did he let out a hollow groan. There was indeed a trace of blood in his urine, but Spike, who over a century or so had become pretty damned familiar with human physiology, could tell it wasn't serious.
"Well, I'm sure it don't feel any too good, but you'll heal up on your own," Spike said with satisfaction. "Here, you can put these on now." He helped Xander step into a pair of black silk boxers and carefully pulled them up.
Mending Souls (cap 1x6)
Spike moved away from Xander, “first, though, piss.”
Xander stared at Spike a moment and blinked, why did the idea of Spike striping his ass make him shiver? But wait, what did Spike say again, “What-huh?”
“I said piss, all that bruising around your kidneys might be a problem.” Spike ordered as he stood by.
“Joy, just what I need, the evil undead watching me piss. I can cross that off my “never want to do again” list.” Xander, however, complied and stood over the toilet. He let out a hollow groan as the stream started and there was, in fact, a trace of blood in his urine.
“Right, you should be fine. Not much there, it should heal up on its own. Now, toddle off to bed.”
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It took almost a week for the case to get its own mod, and then the post went live and the mod got to work. And then we waited.
Partway through last week, almost 5 weeks after the whole mess kicked off, spikes_kogagirl commented on one of the supportive comments I'd received on my stop_plagiarism post (but not replied to, so as not to fan any flames), and left a familiar 'You don't know the whole story!' tale.
It didn't even occur to me at the time that maybe she'd just had a preview of the verdict, but, the next day, she created a new Spander comm, and then shortly afterwards, the mod at stop_plagiarism froze the comments on my post there to prevent any incipient wank before saying she'd have the verdict post up very shortly. (Shortly turned out to be almost 2 weeks, btw, and actually came in on Saturday night when, as you know, I wasn't there to see it. *headdesk*)
This new Spander comm has a very special plagiarism policy. From what I can understand, it seems to be saying that you're allowed to plagiarise once, so long as it's not too obvious and you change the bits she tells you to if she catches you. But if it's a simple copy and paste job, or you do it again, then she's telling stop_plagiarism! *blinks*
The comm has several co-mods now, who may or may not have known about the (accusation of) plagiarism at the time, but I do know that this plagiarism policy was put in place before any of them were added, and that they may not be fully aware of how that policy reads to people who do know.
Personally, I'm more amused and bemused than worried that she's going to steal all the Spander fen out from under me and bloodclaim. I have no intention of either penalising anyone who joins that comm, or checking up on whether or not they remain with bloodclaim. This is hardly the first Spander comm that's been created since bloodclaim became popular and we've survived. Hell, it's not even the first one to be created after someone left bloodclaim in a snit over some heinous crime I've committed as mod. You all know how terribly vicious and cruel I can be. :P
Anyway, the verdict finally went up on Saturday, while I was away from lj and the internet. (And isn't that just typical?) The post is currently locked to s_p members, but I am reproducing the opening and closing paragraphs of the mod, archylou below:
A number of things were taken into consideration when looking at this case, the most prominent issue was that of ‘fanon’. Where plotlines have been taken by the fandom and made in to fanfiction canon, this does mean that there can be similarities in many stories over. However, in reviewing both stories I found there were a number of similarities in the stories that cannot be put down to simply random chance, there are whole paragraphs and conversations, slightly reworked and reworded, specific phrases and sentences from the original story appearing in the new story.
(...)
The main issues:
• The phrase “Undead's not bad, but dead's no fun at all” is from Twilight Time and when I searched this phrase it returned only 1 match, this story. While the phrase “Undead is alright, but dead is no fun at all” brings back a match of 0. This is not a common phrase and points to rewording of an original story.
• The telephone conversation between Angel and Spike, both in language and how it is written.
• A specific mention within both stories Xander’s telling Spike of getting to first base without a date
• The mention of chicken soup tasting good because Spike made it and the use of the words “slurp, then talk” and “crunch, then slurp”
The use of a certain plot for a fanfiction story is not the issue, the plot in these two stories can be seen in a number of Spike/Xander stories, it was the issue of similarities in sentences, structure and some of the same lines being used in a new story that can be found in an older story that was the only concern. I have communicated with all parties involved, I understand the new story was removed immediately after they were made aware of the concerns, with spikes_kogagirl offering to rewrite the story.
However, as outlined above spikes_kogagirl may not have intended to plagiarise the story but in this case spikes_kogagirl will be added to the known list of plagiarists.
In other words: Guilty as charged. (I'll leave it to each of you to decide whether or not you believe that that level of similarity can be completely unintentional.)
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This whole mess has left me more sure than ever that I made the right decision when I set policy at bloodclaim. I know there are a lot of people out there who don't want to have to deal with emotional blackmail, accusations of deliberate cruelty, malicious 'prosecution' and harassment, etc. And I know there are a lot of people who, very simply, cannot cope with that kind of pressure, or even the possibility of the same.
I know I can take the shit, even when it does leave me shaky and pinging friends on YIM in need of reassurance and petting. *hugs everyone who provided support*
Despite what certain people may think, stop_plagiarism is not my automatic first stop as a mod/intermediary. I have, on more than one occasion, approached an author of a fic which had one or more small points of troubling similarity. Each time, I have been able to rectify the situation amicably and, on one occasion, make the author aware that what she was intending to do did, in fact, amount to plagiarism, whether or not she 'changed most of the words'.
stop_plagiarism is where I go as a mod if there is too much evidence for me to ever believe it was unintentional, coincidental, or a 'mistake'. When I know in my heart that nothing the author is going to say will convince me that they haven't stolen someone else's words, then I will go to stop_plagiarism with screencaps and saved html and a list of every similarity I can find, and I will let them decide.
I will never allow someone to delete or edit or otherwise hide a true piece of plagiarism and walk away without being called to account. Not only does that let them off the hook, it turns me into an accomplice. You do the crime, you do the time, even if the 'time' is nothing more than having your name added to a list on stop_plagiarism's profile page and having your plagiarism documented for everyone to see.
I am, frankly, boggled that anyone could believe they'd get away with butchering parts of a classic like Twilight Time at all, let alone for another Spander fic. Cross-fandom plagiarists are being caught all the damn time, so this is just... *boggles some more*
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Please feel free to discuss in comments, but DO NOT troll or otherwise bother spikes_kogagirl. This post is here to inform you of the decision, so that you can review the evidence for yourselves, and so that anyone even considering doing anything similar will know that THIS IS WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO YOU IF YOU PLAGIARISE AND SOMEONE FINDS OUT ABOUT IT.
(FYI, This is a slightly edited version of a post I just made on my personal journal.)
ETA: The stop_plagiarism post has been unlocked, edited and ETA'd