wrong and legal are not the same. And you are now asking a different question from your first. Is it wrong to have sex with a drunk person. No. Is it something that can get you in legal trouble? Absolutely. And if you know nothing about that person you are taking the gamble of your life.
I say yes it's rape but it's difficult. I'm sober now but when I drank I blacked out often, however I did not pass out, I'd be conscious, walking around, talking etc but if you asked me the next day what I did, I seriously could no remember; I clearly remember a party at Yale in 1979 where I blacked out in the middle of a conversation where we were talking about the hostages in Iran and suddenly I was in the car going home, to this day I don't know what happened during those four hours.
However if a woman is obviously drunk, slurring her words, staggering, don't have sex with her because that's rape.
Discussing the complexities of this difficult situation does not constitute justification of rape.
Sex involving the deliberate incapacitation of people's objections by force, threat, or chemical restraint is rape.
Getting stone drunk with the clear intent of having sex, and then realising that you got a different kind of sex from that which you wanted, is a grey area. It might be rape; it might not; it depends on the circumstances of the individual case.
Morning-after regrets do not nullify night-before consent.
Your misrepresentation of my position is inappropriate and disrespectful. Please don't tell me what I mean, and I will accord you the same respect.
I have never argued that an incapacitated person is able to give consent. If it seems otherwise to you, I will be happy to politely clarify any aspect of my position if asked.
I agree with you that explicit legal classification of rape would be useful.
If the person is DRUNK, then it seems obvious they can't give any real consent.
However, how "drunk" do they have to be for it not to count? That's the only issue here. Sureley we're not saying that every person who's slept with someone who was not stone cold 0.00% sober is a rapist.
This is my man's take and one of the many reasons he's my man...
If a girl is drunk, her ability to JUDGE anything is impaired. Any person willing to sleep with a drunk woman does so because they know this. That's rape. It's "roofies"-lite.
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Reading some of these comments...
This needs to be a clear black and white issue because the slope is a long one. Consent while drunk as always null and void.
Men, if you don't like that, then stop having sex with drunk people. You can only save yourself.
To answer the question, absolutely it is rape.
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Is that wrong?
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However if a woman is obviously drunk, slurring her words, staggering, don't have sex with her because that's rape.
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"When was consent effectively given?"
and
"Were they clearly incapable of giving consent at that time?"
become valid questions.
However, seeking to answer those questions easily blurs into character assassination in practise, it seems.
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Sex involving the deliberate incapacitation of people's objections by force, threat, or chemical restraint is rape.
Getting stone drunk with the clear intent of having sex, and then realising that you got a different kind of sex from that which you wanted, is a grey area. It might be rape; it might not; it depends on the circumstances of the individual case.
Morning-after regrets do not nullify night-before consent.
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I have never argued that an incapacitated person is able to give consent. If it seems otherwise to you, I will be happy to politely clarify any aspect of my position if asked.
I agree with you that explicit legal classification of rape would be useful.
cheers
adrian.
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However, how "drunk" do they have to be for it not to count? That's the only issue here. Sureley we're not saying that every person who's slept with someone who was not stone cold 0.00% sober is a rapist.
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This is my man's take and one of the many reasons he's my man...
If a girl is drunk, her ability to JUDGE anything is impaired. Any person willing to sleep with a drunk woman does so because they know this. That's rape. It's "roofies"-lite.
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