Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End: Just a few personal impressions

[bimo]

So I went to see AWE yesterday, together with Cavendish at the Lichtburg Essen.

Comments

[cavendish]

>Molly was replying in the context of Bimo's post, and her reply was intended to comfort and cheer up a fellow writer whose muses have fallen silent. She was not inviting debate on the nature of fanfic as a derivative artform

[ex_galadhir]

From what I've heard, apologies are already accepted and Molly would actually quite enjoy it if you carried on talking to her, now that she has understood the situation too :)

what the ancient storytellers did was developing something further that had been growing for, maybe, centuries; which was very complex, part of a cultural identity formed by the people themselves.But they did so in the light of things which were happening in their own culture and their own minds - and even their own lives. They re-interpreted the material in order to make it meaningful for them. So, whether we like it or not, big Disney films *are* part of our culture and are as available for this process as anything else. In my own case CotBP inspired me to research the history of the British Navy - thus learning more about my own culture. I interpreted the story through the lens of my own culture, and my fanfic which arose out of it owes as much to Patrick O'Brian, and the works of various historians as it does to the Pirates franchise

[cavendish]

>From what I've heard, apologies are already accepted and Molly would actually quite enjoy it if you carried on talking to her, now that she has understood the situation too

[ex_galadhir]

Sorry about disappearing in the middle of a conversation, but yes, we were moving house. I'm now back, though only on dial-up for the moment, and would be delighted if you friended me - though I don't know how much longer I will be involved in fandom as an active writer. I'm trying to break into original fic these days

[cavendish]

>Sorry about disappearing in the middle of a conversation, but yes, we were moving house

[ex_galadhir]

Why should that be an argument for *not* friending you? ;-)*G* Well, it must surely ensure that instead of posting stories which appeal to a number of people, I stop posting any kind of interesting content at all and confine myself to talking about my cats or children - making the blog much less interesting than it was

[cavendish]

Hi there :-)

*squee* a kosh icon. *waves* from a fellow b5 fan :-)

now it was me droppong out of a conversation, but ther is really a lot of work to do for me at the moment.

>I have an 18th Century haunted house/murder mystery, an Age of Sail Romance, and a Space Opera in various stages of planning and first draft at the moment - and I'm getting to the stage where I have to choose one of them and buckle down to actually finishing it.

sound interesting. But buckling down and finishing things really is the hard part of it ;-)

>Heh, the Onedin Line takes me back. We never watched it, but I remember my father always changed the channel when it was on, when I was growing up. Is it good then?

Hmm, it is hard to say if the series is really good. I watched it as a child, so there is a lot nostalgia involved in my re-wathing it. Some parts are really nicely done, and some othere: saop opera at its worst, really. All Creatures Great and Small , which was only about, I think, 4 years later, is much better as far as storytelling is

[ex_galadhir]

Heh, for some reason, now that my interest in PotC is waning I'm remembering how much I loved B5, and how much better it was than PotC. (Well, maybe not than the first film.) It had some of the same problems though - a tendancy to get bloated and pretentious at the end, and to make most of its protagonists 'darker' in the belief that that would make them more interesting. It reminded me that I stop enjoying stories when the moral makeup of their universe's change. (Which is not to say that I have to have heroes and villains - I enjoy Torchwood, where all the protagonists are somewhat dodgy. I just don't like the rules to change half way through

[cavendish]

Do these comments start to get wider again some time soon?

>how much I loved B5,

The only TV series I watched 3 times in its entirety. :-) (having been being introduced to the show by bimo, spending very enjoyable evenings together watching it on VHS tapes that came form the states, were copied about (judging from the picture quality) 3 mio times. We used to joke to be "wrapped in 5 kilometers of spinning video tape"

But I am getting sentimental. Furthermore, I don't have that much time at the moment (meaning none at all). This will change next Friday, by then everything that is on my mind right now will be resolved one way or the other ;-).

So if my reply is shorter than it should be (I would dearly have reflected in greater depth on both "Onedin Line" and Metaphorical Cats" but all this will have to wait, I am afraid, until next week ;-).

As for the books (and as far as good advices go): Which speaks to you the loudest at present? ;-)

Frank

Hi. I'm committing thread necromancy in bimo's journal.

[hmpf]

Just wanted to let you know that this question:

>But I wonder if fanfic writers do not treat the products of the cultural indusrty more serious than they deserve?

just caused me to go off on a long meta tangent which I ended up posting in my journal because it got a bit long, and also because it might interest a few people on my flist.