Someday I'll get the hang of properly cutting stuff. Maybe.

[beckerbell]

► - Do you know what else I've been spending the last few days doing? (Well, it was last week, but by the time I had time to post this....) Watching the whole late night talk show scene's latest huge kerfluffle and, good god, is it ever entertaining as hell. I'm seriously going to miss this when it's all over. So far, the best place I've found

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[wrong]

I don't really ship Riku/Kairi, per se, not because of anything in the game canonly, but rather because of some bad associations. Nevertheless, I could actually see them having a relationship together simply because of Sora, and I loved that dynamic more than I loved the pairing itself (even though I can write fic on it!) and...I don't know, I used to not really like her when I first started KH, but as I grew up, I thought Kairi added a really interesting, fuller angle towards the Destiny Island kids.

As to why I suddenly decided to speak up on this, I have no idea.

[beckerbell]

My feelings on it pretty much depend on the day you ask me about them, but I never fluctuate that much on how I view the characters. I have trouble liking Kairi and I think the way the first game stumbled with her left a stronger impression on me than I realized. Kairi of KHII was a much more interesting (and likable, imo) character, but the damage was already sort of done

[wrong]

I didn't like how KH dealt with their female characters in general, although it got a huge thumbs-up from me on the Minnie front (she's so awesome...actually, she and Mickey single-handedly redeemed the entire series for me), so I was kind of :/ with how they handled her, even in KH2 (and I had a...somewhat irrational dislike for Namine, much like I imagine your feelings for Kairi are like, so I completely understand

[beckerbell]

I know a lot of the Kairi pushing was in reaction to the fans who really just loathed her and were probably coming from a EW GET THE GIRL AWAY FROM THE BOYSLASH!!11, which I can't really blame them for. It just got to a point where I felt that it was an overreaction to something that wasn't as big a problem as it was made out to be. (But that was just my experience, not really being that deep into the fandom and knowing not to take girl-hating morons seriously. XD)

I do agree that, as of KHII, Kairi was the stable one of their trio, but she'd gone through the least amount of shit of all of them. (Which, in itself, is sometimes frustrating, because she doesn't really get to do much. I really wish there were going to be a KHIII where we could have had a party of the three of them together, I think that would have helped warm a lot of people up.) By KHII, I think they were both pretty focused on Sora, so you'd almost have to start there with them, but it would be interesting to look at Riku's feelings for her

[zauberer_sirin]

Seishirou is a character I have so much love for, but I'm never not going to say he was a bastard who ruined Subaru in so many ways.

THIS. I often fall in love with the bastard character but I hate when people make excuses for them because that's ignoring what makes the character well, them.

OMG SOMEBODY ELSE SAW THE SHIZUO/IZAYA THANK FUCK! I was making incoherent noises all through their confrontation cause HELLO, INSTANT OTP? ♥

LET ME HUG YOU AND SHARE MY OBSESSION!

[beckerbell]

Sometimes it's hard not to fall into the pitfalls fandom lays out for us. I get this in One Piece fandom all the time, because the ZoSan doujinshi is so pretty that it destroys my sensibility and I start liking that crap. It's the same with the woobiefication of the bastard characters--I know it's OOC, but the writing is so pretty--! I'm getting that way with Hibari sometimes, too. THE DOUJINSHI IS JUST SO PRETTY. But then you get something where he's an actual little vicious demon and it's so much betterIt's similar enough to what happens with bastard characters that I can sort of understand it, but it still becomes frustrating, because I love the characters as bastards! That's what makes them interesting in the first place! If I wanted fluffy sweetness, I'd be reading shounen ai

[zauberer_sirin]

I guess characterization is too big for me, even if I do sometimes like pretty writing even if the fic doesn't agree with my vision of the characters (even if I have a ridiculously large collection of FMA doujinshi that has cost me a lot of money and where I only find like three books that really depict my otp as I see them), so yeah I can see the temptation of the prettiness. But I have huge difficulties with characterization when it's off, because it's the reason I'm reading fic in the first place, to see this people.

OH GOD I HATE WHEN THEY TRY TO SWEETEN HIBARI I HATE IT HATE IT HATE IT. (hopefully i'm not doing it myself in fic, i hope i'm not)

HOLY MOTHER OF GOD THAT IS MY NEW OTP RIGHT THIS INSTANT.

PRETY MUCH MY REACTION! And I tried to justify the OMG THEY'RE SO HOT with feelings of "but you get the feeling of so much history with them!" and such. I want epic fic about their backstory.

[beckerbell]

I think part of it is being such a fanart junkie, you slowly get worn down on these things. Art, to me, can be all about the visual style, rather than about what's "IC" or not. It's just a step further to doujinshi that's about the artist's style more than it is about the characterization. And then I'm one of those fans.

It doesn't help that I often have small fandoms that I just pine for, so I lower my standards, otherwise I'd be sad and lonely forever. (I miss having standards sometimes, though. And I find it so interesting to hear from someone who has a different view on this than I do!) I'm slightly better about fic, at least?

(I think I really went downhill in Tenipuri fandom. I love that fandom, but there's not exactly a lot of ICness going on there.)

I want epic fic about their backstory.

YOU AND ME BOTH! It seems like they definitely have a lot of history and I almost caved and went to read manga summaries just because I am that desperate to know more about them and I'm not sure I can take the pace of only one

[a_white_rain]

1. Besides the fact I want to make a post defending Mary Sues, I'm actually a little ... about how people seem to hate 'em so much in fandom esp. Usually they're 12 year old girls pretending they could date Trunks or something. It's perfectly normal and that kinda thing is usually something they grow out of

[beckerbell]

1. Yes, all of this! Especially the "...." amount of seemingly genuine hate people have for the mere whiff of a Mary Sue character (and only female characters)(also versus the, "Oh, ahahaha, that's true, but it's not really so bad!" the male characters get when pointed out that they're Mary Sues, too--who REALLY has furious loathing for Harry Potter in the same way?) when I've started to wonder what's really, genuinely so wrong with them. It's a natural stage of development and female characters shouldn't be held to these impossible standards.

They may not always be interesting to read about but I wish more people would stop and think, hey, it might actually be pretty cool to read about an awesome female character that's the center of the universe and saves the day and is the ~*best sparkly person ever*~ at what she does!

2. Well, honestly. If we only ever wrote something ourselves, IT WOULDN'T BE AS MUCH FUN. READING IS MORE FUN THAN WRITING, ALWAYS. XD

3. Or when people seem to justify that since Subaru loved him and is

[a_white_rain]

1. I mean it's one thing to point out how female characters often do fall into a standard of perfection because people don't know how to make a flawed character who happens to be a girl. But spend at day at canon_sues and one can't help but wonder if a mary sue killed some puppies. In fanfic, I've grown pretty indifferent to badfic that's as pretty tame as a suefic so I'm not sure why people find it so interesting to spork them all the time.

2. I <3 to write but sometimes I only want to read something. And the something I want to read is Beauty and the Beast or the Little Mermaid Kingdom Hearts fic. Or god forbid a Goofy or Donald genfic. People can write whatever they want but I has neeeeeeds

[beckerbell]

1. I'm not sure why people go after Mary Sues so hard, either, considering some of the badfic that's out there. Not that I want them going after ANY type of fic, but why is that one just so very, very terrible? Is writing a "Mary Sue" fic mean the author is going to forever be a terrible person or not mature as a writer? (I hesitate to say it, but some part of me wonders if this isn't coming out of fandom's misogyny issues. :/)

2. Same here! I like writing, it can be fun when you get a perfect gem of an idea! But sometimes you just want to read fic because you have a yearning, but nothing concrete yourself. Fandom should fulfill these needs!

3. Yes, to all of this. Of course it's possible for Subaru to start healing. (I think a lot of people would argue over the degree he's able to heal, because sometimes there are things you just can't get over, not when you've lost something so deep like that. There are some deaths/losses you just can't get "over".) And GOOD LORD YES. Subaru, most of all, realizes that Seishirou is

[shadr0]

I'm gonna want to comment on Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles: Crystal Bearers since my friend picked it up and was like "Hey its multiplayer, let's play this!" and I'm like "Okay Crystal Chronicles was cool, minus the needing 80 gameboys." So then we played it, where me being player two was reduced to being a navi. Even though player 1 gets one too, AND the main character. Then we got stuck in the first town and couldn't get anything open...so yeah I didn't like it.

[beckerbell]

I've heard that the multi-player aspect really failed on this game and I can definitely see that. I went into the game for a solo experience, so I was fine with it, but I did end up feeling like... "Who is this game marketed towards? Not the multiplayers and not action game fans and not really RPG fans. So, who? Aside from the handful of FFCC nerds like me." It just didn't know what it wanted to be, so it wasn't anything stellar.

I do think the story was really solid and it worked well (enough) as a solo game, which is why it makes me sad not to be able to share it, but I can understand why you didn't like it. XD

[shadr0]

I wish we really got to the battle or anything, as far as I played it was a collection of mini games. I still want to know wtf we missed to get stuck in the first city ><.

[beckerbell]

Well, it's not really a game with a whole lot of battle that you actually need to do, which is the weird thing about the game. I didn't think there were that many mini-games in the first city? Where were you stuck at? Did you fix the clock to get the shuttles running again or were you past that?