Someday I'll get the hang of properly cutting stuff. Maybe.

[beckerbell]

► - Do you know what else I've been spending the last few days doing? (Well, it was last week, but by the time I had time to post this....) Watching the whole late night talk show scene's latest huge kerfluffle and, good god, is it ever entertaining as hell. I'm seriously going to miss this when it's all over. So far, the best place I've found

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[a_white_rain]

1. Besides the fact I want to make a post defending Mary Sues, I'm actually a little ... about how people seem to hate 'em so much in fandom esp. Usually they're 12 year old girls pretending they could date Trunks or something. It's perfectly normal and that kinda thing is usually something they grow out of

[beckerbell]

1. Yes, all of this! Especially the "...." amount of seemingly genuine hate people have for the mere whiff of a Mary Sue character (and only female characters)(also versus the, "Oh, ahahaha, that's true, but it's not really so bad!" the male characters get when pointed out that they're Mary Sues, too--who REALLY has furious loathing for Harry Potter in the same way?) when I've started to wonder what's really, genuinely so wrong with them. It's a natural stage of development and female characters shouldn't be held to these impossible standards.

They may not always be interesting to read about but I wish more people would stop and think, hey, it might actually be pretty cool to read about an awesome female character that's the center of the universe and saves the day and is the ~*best sparkly person ever*~ at what she does!

2. Well, honestly. If we only ever wrote something ourselves, IT WOULDN'T BE AS MUCH FUN. READING IS MORE FUN THAN WRITING, ALWAYS. XD

3. Or when people seem to justify that since Subaru loved him and is

[a_white_rain]

1. I mean it's one thing to point out how female characters often do fall into a standard of perfection because people don't know how to make a flawed character who happens to be a girl. But spend at day at canon_sues and one can't help but wonder if a mary sue killed some puppies. In fanfic, I've grown pretty indifferent to badfic that's as pretty tame as a suefic so I'm not sure why people find it so interesting to spork them all the time.

2. I <3 to write but sometimes I only want to read something. And the something I want to read is Beauty and the Beast or the Little Mermaid Kingdom Hearts fic. Or god forbid a Goofy or Donald genfic. People can write whatever they want but I has neeeeeeds

[beckerbell]

1. I'm not sure why people go after Mary Sues so hard, either, considering some of the badfic that's out there. Not that I want them going after ANY type of fic, but why is that one just so very, very terrible? Is writing a "Mary Sue" fic mean the author is going to forever be a terrible person or not mature as a writer? (I hesitate to say it, but some part of me wonders if this isn't coming out of fandom's misogyny issues. :/)

2. Same here! I like writing, it can be fun when you get a perfect gem of an idea! But sometimes you just want to read fic because you have a yearning, but nothing concrete yourself. Fandom should fulfill these needs!

3. Yes, to all of this. Of course it's possible for Subaru to start healing. (I think a lot of people would argue over the degree he's able to heal, because sometimes there are things you just can't get over, not when you've lost something so deep like that. There are some deaths/losses you just can't get "over".) And GOOD LORD YES. Subaru, most of all, realizes that Seishirou is

[a_white_rain]

1. I think it's some misogyny. Because, seriously, how interesting it is to poke fun at Lillian Flower and Vegeta's troo love for her or whatever? I'm sticking with DBZ here because I wrote WR/Gohan fic back in the day

[beckerbell]

1. I didn't want to go there, but I'm left with few other reasons for why Mary Sue characters are so violently hated, especially when fandom clearly knows it's just that the authors aren't very experienced yet.

3. I was thinking similar things--as much as Subaru is obsessed with Seishirou (and as much fun as it is to write him being hopelessly gone on Seishirou), there actually is anger there. It's just caught up in this really complex tangle of emotions and desires that Subaru has

[a_white_rain]

1. I think fandom is slowly moving past it though. Or maybe I'm just not seeing it since I ignore fanficrants for the most part

[beckerbell]

1. I like to think things are getting better, too. And I think they are, if slower than we'd like. It certainly feels like there's a better balance between focus on males and females than there was a few years ago

[a_white_rain]

Going the the zoo could be MAJORLY fucked up. Seishirou can be all 'do you still want to be a zookeeper' and Subaru can be like 'fuck you only I'll say it in a polite way' and then Seishirou will be like 'look at the cute penguins' and Subaru will be like '>:' and then Seishirou will be like 'when's your birthday? I can buy you a kitten' and then Subaru will be like 'DIE IN A FIRE' but only not because there are people around and then the date ends with Seishirou buying Subaru food that he won't eat.

[beckerbell]

I love stuff that's super cute on the surface, but totally fucked up underneath that. Like Seishirou and Subaru going to see the penguins. ♥ (Though, I can't decide if all the animals would be fond of Seishirou or if they'd instinctively growl at him/run away from him.)

[a_white_rain]

I'd say they'd like him cos CLAMP seems fond of them.

[beckerbell]

I certainly wouldn't put it past Seishirou to somehow get animals to be fond of him. It'd be really freaking weird to see a cat rubbing up against him, while you know he could kill it and not feel a bit guilty.

[a_white_rain]

Actually I think he has to be okay with animals. He was a vet. I think Subaru was probably better with them because Subaru was earnest and adorable but I think he could trick animals well enough.

[beckerbell]

....somehow, I'd managed to forget that. Wow, shows how on top of things I am. orz But, yeah, that's a good point, he'd be really good with animals, but I still think it'd be weird for other people (who know the real him) to watch Seishirou with animals.

Though, you know, I could see Seishirou liking animals because they're so simple and are exactly who/what they are.

[a_white_rain]

Haha I'm remembering that because I'm writing TB fic and Seishirou is still a vet in it. :p Lol now I want like fan art of Seishirou playing with a puppy in a park while Fuuma is like :D:D or something.

I think that's very possible. It would go with Subaru loving them so much for pretty much the same exact reason. They're both socially stunted in similar ways. Seishirou is just a jerk while Subaru is a martyr.