ATTF: R-Rated Movies in MCU?

[esgeee]

This is a little off-topic but I thought that this would be a really interesting topic to discuss. So, members of this great bar, do you think that Marvel should also follow in Deadpool's footsteps and start to make R movies?

Comments

[itsanonyx]

I didn't watch "Deadpool" so I'm not sure about the Film Rating.

But if the movie is really violent and stuff then it's good that they'll choose R for the movie - although the majority of fanbase is younger than 17.

PS: May I ask how "young" they were?

[esgeee]

the kids were about eight or nine.

[itsanonyx]

Uhm, I can't believe the parents took them into the movie and that they were able to watch this. O.O (Last Christmas my niece had problems to get into "The Good Dinosaur" because he wasn't 6 [Film Rating in Germany].)

Again: I didn't watch "Deadpool" but I'm pretty sure this movie isn't for someone around 8 or 9. O.O

(Sorry about the rant. I'm just a bit shocked right now...)

[inkvoices]

As far as I'm aware, for a 12A in the UK kids can get in with a parent, because it's either a 12 or at the parent's discretion. For a 15 and up you're not supposed to be able to get in if you're not that age. However, someone is with their parents I think staff tend to turn a blind eye unless it's really, really obvious that the kid isn't that age.

What're cinema policies like elsewhere in the world? Do kids tend to get away with sneaking into higher ratings or tagging along with parents?

[inkvoices]

Leaving aside parenting choices in taking kids to high rated films, I think lower ratings make things more accessible to a wider audience - not just as an age thing, but even some adults don't want, or always want, graphic violence/sex/swearing. And the more people who see the film, the more money is made. And the more that gets invested in the franchise. (I'm not sure wide audience and money making can be separated for this.) I also think films shouldn't market merchandise etc to target audiences younger than those who can see the film - it's not fair to get kids excited for something they can't watch (let's leave the moral issues aside) - and it has to be taken into account that again that means less money made off the franchise

[sgteam14283]

I would love it if Netflix came out with a version of Fraction's run. Also, have you seen the Hawkeye Fan Film that was put up on YT this week? It really captures the style the comic was in.

[inkvoices]

It would be so good :D

Ha, no I hadn't seen that, thanks for the link! "You can't just walk a dog away from your problems." = classic and even a bit from Lucky's POV!

[alphaflyer]

I don't think there is a word in this with which I disagree. I saw Deadpool and kind of liked it, but the relentless dick jokes and gory violence got old pretty quickly. The whole thing started at 11 and never came down, and my ears were ringing when I came out (figuratively speaking). There's only so much crescendo I'm prepared to take; basically, I prefer adult writing to adult jokes.

I'd adore a Fraction!Aja run on Netflix or elsewhere, but if they do the same uber-violence that turned me off Daredevil, count me out. The series itself has some violence, but nothing horribly graphic, and the swearing is limited to the occasional "futz". So if it is to be R-rated, let it be for dialling those up to the original "For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge" version, and for that little Hawkeye mask to be removed from that scene were ... Well, you know.

[badwolfink]

Yeah I think that it'd honestly not fit the tone of what Marvel is doing with movies if they followed in the footsteps of Deadpool. They have their R rated material on Netflix.

But like if we were to get a Clintasha movie well let's just say I wouldn't mind if it were R ;P

[alphaflyer]

Provided it's R for "proper" reasons, and not all that icky gory violence...

[badwolfink]

OH OF COURSE that's what the winkey face was for. I want dirty swearing and wall fucking.

[alphaflyer]

I thought that's what you meant - I just needed to be absolutely, totally, utterly sure ...

[sgteam14283]

I saw Deadpool and I think that it was really good that they had a more "mature" rating, they didn't shy away from anything, and because that's what Deadpool is all about-he really doesn't sugar coat things-and to have it at a lower rating just to make more money would be doing the character a disservice.

That being said, I think the higher rating only works for certain characters like Deadpool. Also apparently Suicide Squad is hastily filming extra scenes for more humor because of Deadpool which shows that they're trying to capitalize on the movie's success

Personally I think that if Marvel ever gets around to a Natasha movie and they want to do it right it needs to be a higher rating because of the subject matter that an origin story like the Black Widow deals with. True you could push the envelope with a PG-13/whatever the international equivalent is, edging as close to an 'R' rating without crossing into it, but at the same time IMO it would take away from the character and do Natasha and the Red Room a disservice as a whole.

[franztastisch]

I think the reshoots for Suicide Squad are in response to Batman vs Superman being too grimdark. And also because people loved the second trailer so much. I mean, I loved that second trailer and I have no interest in seeing the actual film. It was just really well done.

ETA: I genuinely think they don't need a higher rating if they ever get round to making a film about Natasha. Mainly because clever storytelling can cover a lot of ground and a 12A/PG13 spy thriller is very doable. Also, I don't think it would be doing Natasha a disservice because that implies that the most important things about her are those horrible things that we're not even sure happened to her in the MCU. She doesn't need a 15/R rating to be the best version of herself and you can easily imply bad things without explicitly stating them. Like Mad Max: Fury Road.

But also - from a non-storytelling POV - I think it would be a bad move simply because it would cut out a huge amount of the fanbase who, lets be honest, definitely deserve to see the Black Widow on

[alphaflyer]

Agreed. I'm always in favour of implying rather than showing -- allowing room for the reader's imagination is much more effective storytelling in my book. Plus, we want all those little girls out there to have a badass Marvel heroine to balance against all the princesses. So, yeah. No R for the Black Widow, please!

[inkvoices]

Thirded - if we had more female led films it might not be so much of a problem, but with there being so few I think the wider an audience they can reach the better. Also implying rather than showing can be just as effective if not more so. After all, isn't that how the Clintasha ship sailed from Avengers? ;)

[geckoholic]

I do think it depends on the source comics. I really loved Deadpool, and like many people I know, I extra loved it because it didn't shy away from staying close to the comics and didn't defang them. Similarly, I also think that taking a PG-rated source comic and making it harsher and more violent, etc., in the movie adaption would also miss the mark.

And honestly, imo, the parents who let their young kids read or watch stuff like Deadpool are the problem here, not the movie or the comics themselves. You don't go to a slasher movie with your 11-year-old and expect them not to get freaked out, right? It's the same with adult-rated comics content. Just because it's comics doesn't mean it's for kids. It's on the parents to protect them from that content, not on the media to refrain from producing it.

[franztastisch]

Yeah I think a lot of the problem re: parents is the automatic assumption that if it's based on a comic, it's for kids. Or even, if it's a superhero narrative, it's for kids.

[kiss_me_cassie]

This is true. But it's also the promo people who put out the ads the kids see and then want. And it's REALLY hard to explain to your six year old that even though its a movie about his beloved superhero, no, you can't see this movie because it's way too above your level. (We've been having some issues with this on Batman vs. Superman.) I like that the Marvel movies have been at a lower rating because we can watch them and I can either do some explaining at the scarier parts (Hulk chasing Black Widow freaked him out) or fast forward on them.

[inkvoices]

This is something I find to be a big problem - marketing things at kids that they can't watch. My mum works at a Primary school, for kids aged 5-11, and a lot of them have chatted to her about their parents not letting them watch films that're aged 12 up, and yet they know about them because of the kids' lunch boxes, the toys, the hype, so they want to watch them, and that's not fair on the kids or their parents. This, I think, is where the money making goes too far.