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bcbgrl33

All of Time and Space…and you can’t see why it’s dangerous to bring a Black woman back in time

Mar 06, 2010 03:56

Alright here's another rant that is an extension of The Shakespeare Code and also Human Nature Family of Blood and Season 3 in general of Doctor Who: Blacks and time travel. Here you have a 900 year old Time Lord whose business it is to see and travel around all of Time and Space... yet still can't see why it's dangerous to bring a Black Woman back ( Read more... )

race, doctor who, rant

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persiflage_1 March 6 2010, 13:16:40 UTC

To a certain extent, at least in the first trip (in TSC) I can see the Doctor not getting the colour issue - after all, he's not actually human, so there's no reason, particularly because he hasn't travelled with a person of colour before, why he should realise why Martha's concerned - probably, to a Time Lord, it's a human foible ( ... )

bcbgrl33 March 6 2010, 17:24:30 UTC

That's true. There was no excuse for dumping them in 1913 and also 1930 but still downplay the racism or expected racism (that was convieniently left out of 1930s AMERICA)? RTD was an insensitive twit in regards to racial and feminist issues ( ... )

persiflage_1 March 6 2010, 19:51:23 UTC

I don't want to defend Rusty, because god knows, he doesn't deserve it, but my understanding of the Time Lords and their relationship to the Web of Time (and this is based on Big Finish and Classic Who as much as New Who), is that it's a very complicated situation - and that only the fixed points in a Time Line *really* stand out to a Time Lord - therefore, if he was to look at Earth's history, he'd see things like World Wars, the destruction of Pompeii, etc. which would probably shine out of the Web of Time, whereas things that aren't fixed points don't tend to show up unless the Time Lord specifically looks at a particular Time Line. And don't forget, Ten talks about Time being like a big ball of string - so he'd probably have to look really closely to see details that to us might seem huge, but to him seem small because they're not fixed points ( ... )

Jefferson mention viomisehunt March 13 2010, 21:49:27 UTC

One of the reasons it is difficult for people of color, especially here in the States, to accept the color-blind, alien excuse is that the Doctor admits to meeting people like Jefferson. If he was at Jefferson House, who did the Doctor believe was cleaning his and Jefferson's room, making his food, tending his fields? It wasn't house elves. The Doctor seen slaves in all countries and all forms, including Rome, Greece, and probably ancient Egypt and Kush ( ... )

here from the uhura/spock com eumelia March 6 2010, 13:16:41 UTC

That scene really bothered me as well, because it wasn't being colour blind, but then it pulled the carpet because it was like, "history, bah! history!" which for a time travel show was a pretty cheap shot.

Also, I'm adding you to follow your meta :D

electricafro March 7 2010, 19:36:47 UTC

I HATED that exchange between Ten and Martha. It was nothing more than dismissive, pseudo post racial bullshit.

Grrrr The Woman of Color in Space viomisehunt March 9 2010, 18:51:30 UTC

Applauding Electricafro ( ... )

Re: Grrrr The Woman of Color in Space bcbgrl33 March 10 2010, 06:13:37 UTC

Preach girl Preach. And I love your fanfiction excerpt because that's how it probably would have gone down if you or i went back in time right now

"How DARE The Doctor ask Martha to accept drudgery, the mental, emotional, and spiritual abuse of class prejudice and racial intolerance...How dare he choose absolute freedom and comfort for himself and labor and danger for HIS companion, simply because he does not want to kill this family" Preach IT GIRL. That is what was so unacceptable that the writers new there was precedence through the book that she could be made into his niece but no he inherited her not as a niece but as a SERVANT Ugh Thanks for commenting

Re: Grrrr The Woman of Color in Space viomisehunt March 10 2010, 06:40:56 UTC

She could have been his ward. And I know, it is far too easy to come up with these ideas in hindsight, but sorry, Martha in 1913 as a maid, or Rosita as a prostitute suggest that the writers did not reseach the era or even consider giving young Brits a peek into lives of exceptional Brits of color. This new crop of writers seem afraid of lables like Politically correct, or diversity agenda, -or they're just don't want to do the research, which is interesting because I got a lot of this information from the BBC site. So: Martha becomes a maid; Rosita is a prostitute. Velile Tshabalala, who is simply gorgeous in Eragon, says that RTD downplay Rosita's profession in the script for the "kids". (Paraphrased) If a prostitute as a herione on a kids show has to "suggested" to Protect the kids, why create a character like this. Why not allow lovely Velie to protray Queen Victoria's ward: Sarah Bonetta Forbes? http://images.npg.org.uk/264_325/5/3/mw66053.jpg... )

Re: Grrrr The Woman of Color in Space yalegirl03 March 11 2010, 15:19:02 UTC

I forgot Rosita was a prostitute! I was too distracted by her horrid wig. I didn't like how at the end of the special the would be Doctor decides to employ Rosita as a nanny for his son. I thought that was another race fail.

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bcbgrl33 March 12 2010, 03:38:35 UTC

No RTD doesn't need to be killed at all but he needs to get some mandatory diversity training or talk to his therapist about his seeming aversion to writing positive portrayals of POC

~Maids, Prostitutes, Nannies? How are any of those politically correct portryals of black women~ Thank you. NO ONE NO ONE wants to see that especially in the 21st century. Please Moffat bring on this sensibility that RTD was sorely lacking. Here's hoping Moffat didn't get beat up by black kids as a child