6.11 Appointment In Samarra: I Screwed Up The Whole ‘Natural Order’ Thing

[bardicvoice]

6.11 Appointment In Samarra: I Screwed Up The Whole ‘Natural Order’ Thing

Dean makes a wager:
One day as Death for Sam’s soul.
He loses - but wins. 

Comments

[amberdreams]

As usual, you have managed to very clearly put into words a lot of my confused thinking

[bardicvoice]

Somehow, I don't think Winchester suicide is quite the way to set things right ... I'm not going to worry about it for a good long time!

I totally agree with you on Jensen's superb rendition of Dean absolutely intimidated by Death but still constitutionally unable to stop snarking in conversation with him. Watching that man is a delight - and I will watch Julian Richings any time he turns up on my set!

[elliemurasaki]

What about everyone whose lives Sam and Dean have saved through non-supernatural means? Half the planet is and will remain alive because the boys locked Lucifer away. (I'm convinced Jake could have killed Lilith given sufficient incentive, so assuming someone could be found to be a righteous man breaking in hell, the apocalypse would still be on had Mary not resurrected John.) Is chaos and sadness to follow all those people all their lives?

...explains the current economy, anyway.

[bardicvoice]

I had a bit of an issue with Tessa emphasizing all the negative outcomes and not crediting any of the positives from the way the natural order has been reordered. I'm with you in thinking the Winchester brothers are definitely on the positive side of the ledger as lifesavers; hate that they never get thanked or get credit for that. :(

Fun note on the economy!

[borgmama1of5]

Ah, what tangled webs the scriptwriters weave when trying to quantify fate vs. free will...

I appreciate that you sat down and figured it all out for me, as I'm just willing to take what show gives us at face value right now. From 'Dark Side of the Moon' on, I've stopped trying to make the scenarios presented fit any kind of logical explanation, pretty much figuring it's their show and whatever they say in the current episode is the way it works today.

Not that I love show any less, just tired of trying to explain away inconsistancies that the writers seem to have hand-waved.

I do have one question:
'And it became horrifically clear that Zachariah deliberately delayed the rescue of Dean’s soul from Hell - another perversion of the natural order - until after he had broken..."

Where did you find out that it was Zach that did that? I don't remember confirmation of that suspicion.

[bardicvoice]

Thanks! Funny, but I usually don't have trouble with the inconsistencies, if only because I can always find ways to accommodate them ... *smile

[adrenalineshots]

I think Sam and Dean are the chicken and the egg of humankind. There's really no telling where the mess begun and where it could've been stopped.
You say that it begun with Mary's deal to bring John back, but... would Mary and the YED's paths have really crossed if Dean hadn't been send back in time to make those two roads clash?

Remember, Samuel had no idea about what was going on and had discarded the abusive father's death as an accident.

[bardicvoice]

I was laughing to myself over the whole chicken/egg image while I was thinking through the writing of this blog. I have a whole new idea for decorating Easter eggs; uniquely appropriate, given the Winchester penchant for resurrection

[adrenalineshots]

Yup, very true, all guess work, but fun guess work :))

And about the part of whether Mary and John attracting the YEDs' eyes despite Dean's presence.. that has always bugged me about the YEDs obvious preference for Mary and her second born though... if the angelic blood line came through John (as Michael proved by taking him) what was so special about Mary?
I keep hoping that the fact that the rest of the Campbells coming into play this season would answer that, but so far no luck...

Death's Ring = Death's power??

[anonymous]

Hi Mary! I don't have a LiveJournal account (maybe I should get one!) but love and read all your commentary. I have something that is bugging me that I hope you have have some thoughts on. If Dean had Death's ring hidden all this time, and wearing the ring made Dean "Death for a Day"...has Death not been killing anyone all this time? Or maybe I am missing something! Thanks so much for writing so wonderfully about Supernatural! and I wish you the hwppiest of holiday season!
Beth Ann

Re: Death's Ring = Death's power??

[bardicvoice]

Thanks for the praise and good wishes!

On the ring; I don't think Death himself needed the trinket to be the force of death and be out and about killing people. I think it's more a formal symbol of office - Death's crown and sceptre, as it were - albeit one imbued with sufficient power to pass death-essence on to another.

Have a great holiday season!