5.22 Swan Song: I Got Something To Say (Part 2 of 2: Meta Commentary & Production Notes)

May 22, 2010 00:37

Please note:  the "But Nothing Really Ends, Does It?" section below contains possible spoilers, since it mentions the CW's general description of season six during my speculations on what might happen.

5.22 Swan Song: I Got Something To Say

Lucifer takes Sam;
Dean and the car bring him back.
Promises break hearts.

Read the longest commentary in history... pour a drink first! )

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borgmama1of5 May 22 2010, 14:50:52 UTC
"it would be beyond cruel for Sam to leave Dean suffering in the belief his brother was still trapped in a cage in Hell with Lucifer and Michael just to leverage him into a normal life; and second, because it would indicate Sam hadn’t really learned or understood anything either about what his brother truly wants or needs"

From your blog to the writers' ears! PLEASE! It would be such a negation of the the growth of the boys' relationship in the last few episodes.

I thought the same thing you did about Chuck/God--that it was just in the final scene that God was borrowing Chuck's body. As you pointed out, the entire way Chuck appeared there was a different Chuck than we've ever seen.

Thank you for your detailed, thoughtful reviews all season. I really love reading how someone else interpretes what we see, and I love the respect and affection for Supernatural and its creators that you put in all your comments, even when unhappy with it.

It's going to be a long summer...

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bardicvoice June 26 2010, 19:06:48 UTC
Thank you for reading and commenting, despite my constant inability to respond to comments in anything approximating a timely fashion! If I do a new year's (new season's?) resolution, it should probably be that I'm going to try responding sooner ... :)

This summer is just flying by for me. Must be part of this "getting older" thing. *grin*

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historylover29 May 22 2010, 15:03:15 UTC
Although I didn't hate this episode, it was the same sloppiness that has plagued this entire season ( ... )

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bardicvoice June 26 2010, 19:39:22 UTC
Hi, Kat! Sorry it's taken so long for me to respond; life's just been, well, life.

I didn't have the problems you did with this episode, and I'm not as displeased with the season although it had definite problems and wasn't up to the standard set by season four. I particularly didn't have the same reaction to Kripke's "fans are gonna bitch" comment, because I don't think he meant it the way you took it. I think Kripke still does respect the fans and our legitimate criticisms, but the simple truth really is that there's no way Kripke would ever have been able to satisfy everyone, and I thought he was just acknowledging that. I've gotten irritated on his behalf at the folk who constantly bitch and whine about the same old wheezes from the positions they never change: the endless Deangirl vs. Samgirl debates, for example. I know people who passionately wanted to see a throwdown between the brothers as the angels, accompanied by suitably apocalyptic fireworks; I know people who wanted to see devastation on an Independence Day or I Am ( ... )

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historylover29 June 26 2010, 20:26:49 UTC
I also don't like the battle between fangirls, but, not every fan is like that. But, according to what I see on Supernatural, you would think that there is only one kind of fan--the fangirls--and one kind of writing ( ... )

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amonitrate May 22 2010, 15:06:18 UTC
still reading, but this part:

It’s because of that last element that I think the ending with Dean going to Lisa, as Sam had wanted, simply had to be in order to complete the story. All along, but especially in Mystery Spot, No Rest For The Wicked, In The Beginning, and Sam, Interrupted, we've been told and shown that the Winchesters' co-dependent, vicious circle of self-sacrifice for each other had to stop; that their inability to accept mortality, move on, and let each other go when they died was the root of their constant loss and even endangered the world.

YES. I was going to write up something about this and now I don't know if I need to.

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bardicvoice June 26 2010, 19:41:36 UTC
Thank you! Glad it resonated! (And sorry it took so long for me to say that ... *grin*)

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muffaletta May 22 2010, 17:39:08 UTC
As always, a very insightful and articulate recap/review.

I have to admit, I enjoyed your recap much more than I did the finale or the overall season(although there were some terrific individual episodes). The whole thing just didn't flow as seamlessly as I would have wanted to see from a storytelling perspective. And although the family theme was clearly at the heart, imo, the impact of that message got lost in a somewhat haphazard execution.

... )

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bardicvoice June 26 2010, 20:07:22 UTC
Glad you enjoyed the recap, anyway!

You know, I really don't think Kripke changed what he intended. I never believed he was going to turn Dean into Michael's vessel; I thought that was always a misdirection, because to me, Dean's story was always about being human and making human choices to do the right thing. Becoming Michael's avatar would have denied Dean's humanity and made the victory one of angels, not humans. I thought Sam's story also played out as intended, with his humanity winning over what had been done to him to make him other than human. So I didn't see this season as eviscerating either character, or as denying what was established as canon before.

But that's just my take. :)

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alleysweeper May 22 2010, 18:40:46 UTC
I really have to give you major props for getting over your annoyance with this finale. I cannot.

What was supposed to be a season of answers has been anything but. The finale, and episodes leading up to it, were nothing but a clusterfuck. There was misdirection and slight of hand for the purpose to distract from the fact they had nothing to fitting to offer. All character growth was gone and the past three seasons may as well have never existed.

We were fed the default - Dean gets the shit beat out of him and Sam fights the darkness inside himself. It could have been a mid-season two cliffy for all the impact it had on the current arc.

I guess I'm just tired of watching a show about two bumbling idiots who never win.

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bardicvoice June 26 2010, 20:09:39 UTC
I'm sorry the show no longer speaks to you. I guess I simply am seeing something different in it. I wish you could see with my eyes and be happy.

I hope you find something that pleases you.

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alleysweeper June 27 2010, 02:24:08 UTC
No apologies necessary. I'm so very happy Show still brings you pleasure. In fact, I envy you.

I suppose it's hard for a Kripke!girl to understand the level of disappointment a lot of fans have felt in this season and seasons past. I held out longer than most, having been on board since the Pilot.

However, there's only so much hand-waving one can do. The plotholes were massive and the meta-arc? Cringe-worthy. But the fatal blow, for me, was changing canon. In his arrogance, Kripke showed contempt for both Show and fans alike.

I hope you find something that pleases you.

Thank you for the kind thought. I'm sure I will. ♥

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