Wow, just wow. I truly love your commentary. It always clarifies for me WHY I loved, liked or even did not like an episode. This episode was one of the few that actually made me break down and bawl.... and it was exactly where you said you lost it.
Have a merry Xmas and I look forward to reading more commentary when the boys are back in town.
Never apologize for waxing passionate, Kat! (And yours was waaay shorter than mine ... *grin*)
The kiss on the forehead was acknowledging his little sister-like figure and good friend. The kiss on the lips acknowledged her as a woman that he, sadly, never really got to know. Yes. That exactly. Perfectly said.
Like you, I'm not a parent, but I think I can understand Ellen's choice. And it turned out to be a needful one; Jo died before she would have been able to trigger the bombs.
Their deaths were not in vain. Their sacrifice remains with Dean, Sam, and Bobby; those warriors won't let them go for naught. Even though the Colt didn't work - and like you, I wasn't at all surprised that it didn't, whatever the logic behind that turns out to be - Dean was right: the attempt had to be made. Its failure taught them more about their enemy, and not just that he couldn't be killed by the Colt. This time, Sam saw not just Lucifer's persuasiveness, the determined but sympathetic and seductive face he showed before in Free To Be You And Me, but
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You mentioned that Lucifer adjusted his argument for Cas and Sam, appealing to their different points of view and responding to what he viewed as things he had in common with them. If you want to believe what was seen in the time traveling episode (why can't I remember the title of it? It'll come to me when I'm not thinking of it) Lucifer adjusted his argument with Dean as well. Talking to him as a loyal son to his father who never quite approved of him.
Just an interesting observation... in an observationally interesting way.
Fascinating meta, as always. I don't know where you find the stamina! ;D
I think Sam was right; they are stronger as a team. They can be used against each other, but I think they've learned enough to know where to draw the line...I don't know, in this instance I think Sam was wrong, speaking strictly strategically. Really there is no reason at all for Sam to go anywhere near Lucifer, or give Lucifer any kind of a chance to get to him and, worse, get inside him. Honestly, that should be rule #1 in their playbook at this point. Dean is right in this case - it's got nothing to do with splitting up because they're stronger apart. It's simple mathematics - particularly seeing Sam's reaction to Lucifer's load of crap, acting like he's actually thinking about it and thinking it relates at all to he and Dean. If that's what I was seeing in that scene between Lucifer and Sam, then Sam needs to stay as far away from Lucifer as possible, regardless of the mission. He's not doing the home team any favors by getting rattled whenever Lucifer is
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So, I don't think Dean was wrong in saying that Sam couldn't go with him. I'm not even 100% certain that they are stronger together. When Sam's around, Dean worries about him. When Sam's safe, Dean can focus more on the job at hand.I don't think Dean was wrong in his logical assessment. But I also don't think he was wrong in giving in to Sam and letting him come, because I think it helped to mend a little more of the broken trust between them, and I believe the strength of their emotional bond - which still shows lots of fractures needing mending - is going to be vital
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Hmm ... if you see my stamina hiding out somewhere, rat it out to me, would you? I think it's on the lam ...
I don't dispute the accuracy of Dean's position that Sam coming along was a stupid decision. Tactically and strategically, he was right; keeping Sam far away and hidden from Lucifer is logically the right thing. Emotionally, however - speaking in terms of the brothers' relationship with each other, which I think will be more essential in the end than simple logic - giving Sam the support of trust was the right thing to do. They're rebuilding their partnership by pieces, and this was one.
I've been betting for a while that all the fractures still existing between the brothers are going to split open sometime soon. The boil of their mutual resentments needs to be lanced and the poison let out so their healing can continue. I think we're both seeing something the writers mean to be there!
I'm not sure the Detroit timeline was accelerated. In The End, it wasn't clear to me when the big showdown in Detroit happened; only that it
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Thanks for another perceptive (and lengthy) analysis of the show. I will truly miss Ellen and Jo (who I liked from the beginning, despite the grumbling of others). But my very favorite part of your meta? The beginning haiku. Babe, you nailed it. Damn you're good with those.
Here's hoping your life gets back on track soon. I've had a couple derailments myself so I know it's hard to reclaim your life in the midst of chaos. But I'm sure it will all be worth it.
Hey, Mary! I admire you for still finding the time end the energy to write such detailled commentaries! Thank you for that.
I didn't know about Jo's journal. It is interesting to see the journey in the character's elaboration. I never really saw her as a love interest, even if I knew she was intended like that. I wonder when they gave up on the idea.
I read several opinions on the brothers' teasing moment, and some people took it as a sign that the brothers were still very at odds. I read it more like you did - yes, there is resentment and the moment probably meant to show that these issues were not forgotten, but the fact that they joke about it is very postitive. The way they usually deal with issues is either by not talking about it or by violent arguments.
I probably had other things to say but I can't remember them. Enjoy the end of the year 2009!
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Have a merry Xmas and I look forward to reading more commentary when the boys are back in town.
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Merry Christmas back at you!
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The kiss on the forehead was acknowledging his little sister-like figure and good friend. The kiss on the lips acknowledged her as a woman that he, sadly, never really got to know. Yes. That exactly. Perfectly said.
Like you, I'm not a parent, but I think I can understand Ellen's choice. And it turned out to be a needful one; Jo died before she would have been able to trigger the bombs.
Their deaths were not in vain. Their sacrifice remains with Dean, Sam, and Bobby; those warriors won't let them go for naught. Even though the Colt didn't work - and like you, I wasn't at all surprised that it didn't, whatever the logic behind that turns out to be - Dean was right: the attempt had to be made. Its failure taught them more about their enemy, and not just that he couldn't be killed by the Colt. This time, Sam saw not just Lucifer's persuasiveness, the determined but sympathetic and seductive face he showed before in Free To Be You And Me, but ( ... )
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Just an interesting observation... in an observationally interesting way.
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I think Sam was right; they are stronger as a team. They can be used against each other, but I think they've learned enough to know where to draw the line...I don't know, in this instance I think Sam was wrong, speaking strictly strategically. Really there is no reason at all for Sam to go anywhere near Lucifer, or give Lucifer any kind of a chance to get to him and, worse, get inside him. Honestly, that should be rule #1 in their playbook at this point. Dean is right in this case - it's got nothing to do with splitting up because they're stronger apart. It's simple mathematics - particularly seeing Sam's reaction to Lucifer's load of crap, acting like he's actually thinking about it and thinking it relates at all to he and Dean. If that's what I was seeing in that scene between Lucifer and Sam, then Sam needs to stay as far away from Lucifer as possible, regardless of the mission. He's not doing the home team any favors by getting rattled whenever Lucifer is ( ... )
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I don't dispute the accuracy of Dean's position that Sam coming along was a stupid decision. Tactically and strategically, he was right; keeping Sam far away and hidden from Lucifer is logically the right thing. Emotionally, however - speaking in terms of the brothers' relationship with each other, which I think will be more essential in the end than simple logic - giving Sam the support of trust was the right thing to do. They're rebuilding their partnership by pieces, and this was one.
I've been betting for a while that all the fractures still existing between the brothers are going to split open sometime soon. The boil of their mutual resentments needs to be lanced and the poison let out so their healing can continue. I think we're both seeing something the writers mean to be there!
I'm not sure the Detroit timeline was accelerated. In The End, it wasn't clear to me when the big showdown in Detroit happened; only that it ( ... )
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Here's hoping your life gets back on track soon. I've had a couple derailments myself so I know it's hard to reclaim your life in the midst of chaos. But I'm sure it will all be worth it.
Is it January yet?
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I didn't know about Jo's journal. It is interesting to see the journey in the character's elaboration. I never really saw her as a love interest, even if I knew she was intended like that. I wonder when they gave up on the idea.
I read several opinions on the brothers' teasing moment, and some people took it as a sign that the brothers were still very at odds. I read it more like you did - yes, there is resentment and the moment probably meant to show that these issues were not forgotten, but the fact that they joke about it is very postitive. The way they usually deal with issues is either by not talking about it or by violent arguments.
I probably had other things to say but I can't remember them. Enjoy the end of the year 2009!
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