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bardicvoice

4.20 The Rapture: Heaven, Hell, None Of That Matters

May 04, 2009 22:04

4.20 The Rapture: Heaven, Hell, None Of That Matters

Family man of God,
Jimmy gave to Castiel
More than just a host.

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bardicvoice May 6 2009, 00:50:33 UTC

Thank you!

Even when Jeremy bobbles the plot stuff a bit, he sells the emotion - I love seeing his name in the credits, too!

Duplicitous Angels anonymous May 5 2009, 04:37:21 UTC

I appreciated your review of "The Rapture" far more than the episode itself. Supernatural's depiction of angels is increasingly repellant. They've been shown as vicious toward humans (Uriel), manipulative (Zachariah) and remote and unfeeling (Castiel - in his initial appearances and now at the end of this episode ( ... )

Re: Duplicitous Angels fruitynut May 5 2009, 05:12:03 UTC

In the flashback, right before Castiel speaks to Jimmy, if you notice what's on tv is some kind of angels saved me show. And according to Castiel, angels have not walked the earth for over two thousand years. So all our beliefs about angels are mostly made up! We don't know who or what they're supposed to be other than warriors of God. If there's one thing I know, it's everyone is an individual, even angels and demons. Uriel was so different than Castiel. Casey, from Sin City, was so different than Ruby. What's the big picture, we won't know until Kripke tells us ( ... )

Re: Duplicitous Angels bardicvoice May 6 2009, 01:37:24 UTC

I'm glad that you enjoy my reviews, Deb, but I really hope you don't give up on the show ( ... )

fruitynut May 5 2009, 04:52:17 UTC

Thank you yet again for such an indepth review!

One of the things that really bugged me about the episode was the whole shooting thing. I mean, she shoots Jimmy but walks away for a henchman to kill Claire? With a gun, she could have shot Claire from where she stood!

I believe Castiel retains his compassion for human emotion; I would submit that compassion was what led him to accept Jimmy’s plea to take him instead of Claire, and his final look back at Amelia and Claire reflected his eventual understanding and appreciation of their pain and loss, and Jimmy’s.I agree with this. There was a discussion on another board about how unsympathetic Castiel, or all angels, seemed for possessing people. But speaking only for Castiel, just this point alone, makes Castiel's posession of Jimmy unlike demons. And that Castiel did not come back as a complete heartless son of a bitch. He needed a vessel and he could have easily let Jimmy die and go on with Claire but he didn't ( ... )

bardicvoice May 6 2009, 01:47:46 UTC

Thank you!

One of the things that really bugged me about the episode was the whole shooting thing. I mean, she shoots Jimmy but walks away for a henchman to kill Claire? With a gun, she could have shot Claire from where she stood!Yeah, that was another of the points where the script slipped a bit. You had to accept that queen-bitch demon just wanted to be really badass and maximize the angst of her victims - hence the gut-shot for Jimmy, which would mean a slow death in agony, and the extended threat to Claire to torment the boys with their helplessness to prevent its inexorable end ... or so she thought! Oh, well. I can forgive those bobbles for the real emotion of all the rest ( ... )

karenmiller May 5 2009, 05:20:12 UTC

Brava, again ( ... )

bardicvoice May 6 2009, 01:58:27 UTC

Thank you!

I love your points about reality being far different than the abstract expectation of it, resulting in shock, disillusion, and difficulty in acceptance and belief. So very true! And serving God being hard; I love that, too. It is gutsy, it is deep, and I'm happy to go there despite the pain ( ... )

karenmiller May 6 2009, 03:22:25 UTC

I'm wondering what the viewing experience of this season is like from an atheist/agnostic perspective. I'm neither, and I know my interpretation of the text is coloured by that. Grrr. Wish I bunch of us could sit down with a few boxes of pizza and thrash this out in the same room! *g*

Totally agree with you about Castiel's position. Rock and a hard place, just like Chuck. Perhaps that's why he seemed so positive about Chuck -- he saw they had some important things in common. Both knowing ahead of the game, both placed as outsiders, with difficult jobs.

Happy beddy byes! *g*

karenmiller May 6 2009, 07:46:33 UTC

Hey, sorry to butt in! You were wondering what the season looks like from an atheist point of view: I am an atheist, and I'm willing to give you my opinion (I'm also curious about the point of view of believer ( ... )

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deangirl1 May 5 2009, 05:57:05 UTC

As always a brilliant meta on this episode. I couldn't agree more, so I won't belabour my agreement on all you've said here. But I will just re-enforce some of your points. I loved this episode -- because it did totally set us up for the run to the finish -- we know exactly where everyone stands now -- Dean, Sam, the angels, the brothers' relationship ( ... )

bardicvoice May 6 2009, 23:59:56 UTC

Thank you! The next two Thursday nights are terrifying me ... and knowing that they will leave us with a cliffhanger just makes it worse. Arrgh! (But I love it ...)