Shut the hell up.

[higenshi]

Everyone, meet Niveus.
Niveus is a greedy bitch who will sacrifice her own flesh and blood for what she wants.
She is not meant to have any redemption.
In fact, she's meant to eventually dieAnd yet, I was just whined to that poor Nivy should totes reform--even though she betrayed her teacher and joined the villains and tried to kill her teacher

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[harleyquinn1517]

*points to icon; waves hand* I do! I do! I love bad through-and-through villains! :D

Honestly? I would kill for more characters like yours. I have one particular bastard OC who could care less about happened to other people; I just rarely get a chance to use him to his full potential.

Unreformed/unredeemed baddies = <3

Unfortunately, playing one tends to lead to idiots like this, unless you have a great RP group who understands the character in question is a baddie.

[higenshi]

See, I don't mind sympathetic baddies.

But I like to mix it up, too! ; ;

Which is why I have Niv!

Western woman who killed her husband before they could have kids so SHE could profit, then left her widowed mother and lots of little sisters to starve in the streets? You don't get redeemed from then when you don't regret it. And it's awesome.

[harleyquinn1517]

Sympathetic baddies have their place, but once in a while, you need a true, hardcore bastard to shake things up a little. Baddies in general draw idiots, though. Especially ones that have no place being redeemed.

...And I think I just fell more in love with your character. <3

[higenshi]

Niv tends to get that. xD The declarations of love.

Yeah, it's just kinda stupid that someone who's been a selfish little thing all her life should become zomg! GOOD! ~~ Just. Ngh. Lemme play MY character how I intended her to be played.

[catchingspirit]

My main character is a goodie-turned-baddie, a dark magical girl. In canon, she is eventually redeemed, but in RP she gradually fell further away. She's matured past being-evil-because-she-likes-it, but in this now-AU she's found her canon's legitimate (but still misguided) reasons to stay on her darker path. Although my original intent was for her to be healed/redeemed, keeping her IC through what she's gone through just hasn't allowed it, and she's found a place for herself and the things she wanted by standing with the 'evil' side. I wouldn't say impossible, but it's extremely unlikely she can be redeemed from how low she ended up sinking, and she herself certainly believes it's impossible now.

Quite awhile back, I was told she had no character development. I don't blame the person specifically for this, but I do think there's a general assumption in fandom that character development can only be positive.

I say, "Not so." I love my sinking baddie and seeing her drag others with her.

[higenshi]

I'm guessing, given the icon, she's Dark Mercury?

Niv's best character development? Her own death scene in another RP. It was Kingdom Hearts, and she was in the middle of losing her heart. Because she'd sooner die than end up a monster (despite already being one at that point, just not looking it)? ...She shot herself in the head while laughing maniacally. It was great. <3

[catchingspirit]

Yus. I heart her. In rp, she was pushed further away from the senshi, accepted more by the shitennou, met Shin and thus felt more of a true bond to Kunz since she understood where his bastardy came from AND found out about Princess Destructo completely (thus assuring her senshi couldn't stop it but maybe shitennou could).

She killed Usagi, freeing up Kunz to kill Endy after a detour for Kunz to kill Beryl at the hostage scene to save Neph (foreknowledge is a powerful thing). Rei and Mako surrendered with the mission crumbled anyway. V died of her illness - no restoration with no destruction to make way for it.

It got worse as we moved the AU into other seasons.

Niv sounds like a fun crazy to interact with. *G* I demand stories in return for stories.

Edit: Er, shoulda said meeting Shin let her see Kunzite as a man instead of just the resented guy trying to control her. Learning about the past helped with understanding his bastardy and harshness. A Kunz in RP once even told her he was cruel to her 'from necessity' as they got

[higenshi]

Goddamn, you make me wanna RP Sailor Moon again. ;w; I never got into the live action, but I've read the Manga cover to cover and watched the entire Anime. Me and a friend have a toooon of fic background stuff based off an Anime-Manga mix. Mostly involving the familial bloodlines and shiz.

[sailorgalaxia]

I love irredeemable badguys myself, though I tend to mostly play those with at least one redeemable quality.

But seriously, I don't get why some don't like villains who are evil for the sake of being evil.

[higenshi]

Oh, I don't doubt Niv has her redeemable qualities. For one, she's polite. But that doesn't mean she's, well, every going to be the sympathetic villain. She's never going to go back to being good.

[catchingspirit]

Speaking of excellent villains, hi thar! I've always loved your Galaxia when she's peeked about. ♥

[sailorgalaxia]

Oh! Thank you. :D

[sock_of_love]

Because they fear us.

I have that problem too, though. God forbid your villain have no greater reason to do what they do than the fact that they woke up in the morning. Heaven forbid they choose to die than be reformed. Some people may not believe in pure evil in real life, but in fiction, there is definitely such a thing. Pure, irredeemable evil that you either man up and fight or prepare to be its next victim.

[higenshi]

I don't see why they'd fear Niv, though. She's not the Big Bad! Yeah, if you have something she wants, she'll kill you for it. But... If you don't have anything you want? Unless you're after her or after something she wants, you could be a polka dot camel and she'd still shrug.

*Headdesks.*

[sock_of_love]

Oh that was just my B.S. answer. My real comment is the paragraph below it.

[amredthelector]

I personally hate it when all badguys have to be "redeemable", even the sympathetic ones. Why not let them have back-stories that make you feel for them, but also still be unabashedly evil? To paraphrase the Ninth Doctor, letting someone go once does not mean you've turned over a new leaf. It just means that, just once, when the wind was blowing the right way, you let someone go. You can still be a total evil bastard after that.

I can get were your rage is coming from about people wanting to redeem your character. I have a villain character who was a former child soldier in a seriously messed up cult, who usurped the former cult leader and let some of the other soldiers that were in the cult leave. People seem to take this as a sign that deep down, he's a really nice guy and you just have to appeal to his inner goodness and he'll come around to the side of light or whatever. They also ignore that he's a sociopath who is still running a cult of child soldiers and only let some of them leave because they were too strong for his

[higenshi]

See, it wouldn't be rant-worthy if it was just them asking once.

But this same person keeps pushing it.

No. She's one of the many villains in this RP. And, like many of the villains in this game, though mine is an OC, they aren't regretting a damn thing they do and they will keep doing it. That's one thing I like about Kingdom Hearts--most of the villains are, well, broken off from the latest trend of sympathetic villains in FF (Sephiroth, Ultimecia, Kuja, Jecht/Sin, Vayne).

[lefox]

It helps that most of them don't have emotions, and therefore don't particularly give a damn as far as morals and the like are concerned. XD

[higenshi]

Niv's one of the few who does have emotions, and I think that makes her cooler and scarier. XD