bonesffrants is just plain mean. I only joined it because I saw one author appeared to be very upset by being sporked there and I was curious about what was being said. Like you said, no one forces anyone to read anything so I've never really understood bad fic lists or comms dedicated merely to finding bad fic. I think it's far more constructive to try to collate lists of good fic rather than wasting time on the bad. For those people who spend all their time frothing at the mouth at bonesffrants, I feel like telling them that no one forced them to write the fic and if they feel that strongly, they should just write their own fic that says what it was they wanted to see instead of criticising someone else who was writing out what they wanted to see. :P
It's posts like this one that made me determined never to post Bones fic to a comm anymore. The anti-Brennan/Booth sentiment is quite strong and there's almost a perception that simply because Brennan/Booth is a relatively dominant ship that any fic for it must be crap and the only reason people read
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Like you said, no one forces anyone to read anything so I've never really understood bad fic lists or comms dedicated merely to finding bad fic.
Yeah, I don't understand the logic... I heard people say they were so offended by a fic that they need the place to rant. Not reading the story sounds like the more logical solution. And, sorry, but when a story comes with the warning "character bashing" in the author's note (which was where I hit the back button because I hate character bashing) and people go ahead and read it anyway, why on earth do they go to a rant comm afterwards to complain that there was character bashing in the fic? Unless they read it in order to have rant fodder.
I think it's far more constructive to try to collate lists of good fic rather than wasting time on the bad.
Wordy McWordcakes.
It's posts like this one that made me determined never to post Bones fic to a comm anymore.You're not the first one to say that. And it just sucks. I like your fic. I'm sure plenty others at the comms would like it, too. How
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I heard people say they were so offended by a fic that they need the place to rant. Not reading the story sounds like the more logical solution. And, sorry, but when a story comes with the warning "character bashing" in the author's note (which was where I hit the back button because I hate character bashing) and people go ahead and read it anyway, why on earth do they go to a rant comm afterwards to complain that there was character bashing in the fic? Unless they read it in order to have rant fodder.
Some people just like ranting, I guess.
I have, on rare occasions, criticized a fic by name -- but I've done it in my own lj, because doing it in a more public venue feels to me kind of like coming over to someone's house for the express purpose of telling them that their baby is ugly. The other thing is, it's almost always good fic that I find myself criticizing, because bad fic doesn't bother me in the same way. Bad fic is just . . . out there, and there's always going to be more of it; criticizing it is like shooting fish in a
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That comm doesn't just have problems with badfic; some posters have an extremely narrow view of what makes good fanfic.
I have, on rare occasions, criticized a fic by name -- but I've done it in my own lj, because doing it in a more public venue feels to me kind of like coming over to someone's house for the express purpose of telling them that their baby is ugly.
*g* apt comparison. Yeah, I think that's a problem here. Public venue. It's a locked comm but Bones fandom is way too small for them to fly under the radar and the chances of an author finding out are pretty high (unlike fanficrants, which it's modelled after, I think I read... and fanficrants is still a major sponsor of fandom_wank.)
It's not like I never indulged in some pointing-and-laughing at badfic... I'm pretty sure I have. Badfic can be frikking funny. I found babymimi's intentional badfic so hilarious that I could barely read through the tears ;). But it is better kept to the privacy of one's journal where the writer really has to go out of their way to find it
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I never post fic to comms, now, and the only time you'll see one is if the mod (as happened recently)asked to archive it. I won't read fic that starts off with lengthy author's notes---I'm already bored!
My reaction to the criticism of my first friend for writing, and the second friend, for reccing, was, I admit characteristic of me. Although I don't like Booth slash at all, I was impelled to write one---a remix of first friend's fic (with her blessing). Then the second friend told me to post it to a bones slash comm. I had to tell her, "There's the whole thing where I don't go to comms!"
And of course, after writing Booth and Brennan friendship, I was so annoyed at the bashing that I put 'em together.
My reaction to the criticism of my first friend for writing, and the second friend, for reccing, was, I admit characteristic of me. Although I don't like Booth slash at all, I was impelled to write one---a remix of first friend's fic (with her blessing).
I hear you. A stubborn little part inside me imagined writing a pregnant!Brennan fic where in a subplot Booth, Zack, and Hodgins make out like crazy. Just out of spite. (But on second thought I'll stick to my earlier idea of a Bones/NCIS genfic, that's easier to pull off.)
I'm very curious to read both your remix and the original story. Haven't read either yet because I didn't want the wank to color my reading... that's kinda like eating when you're stressed.
And of course, after writing Booth and Brennan friendship, I was so annoyed at the bashing that I put 'em together.Hee. Took me by surprise, too. I loved the ending, by the way. Particularly since, as it was yours, a B/B ending *wasn't* predictable. Loved the whole fic, and should have commented more but I had one of them
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IMO, folks should write what they want/need/have to write. If it's not good, folks probably won't finish it; if it's good/very good/great, then folks will rec it.
I don't like the idea of telling anyone that they shouldn't/mustn't/can't write because of their age - or any other characteristic.
If it's not good, folks probably won't finish it; if it's good/very good/great, then folks will rec it.
Yup. And if they don't like it and finish it anyway, it's really their problem. Not rocket science, that.
Usually you can tell right away if a story is for you, anyway. I've read only one Bones fic that started so promising that I put it in my potential-rec folder and printed it out (multi-chapter!) to find that the author lost track of the plot near the end. It was a very ambitious story, just the plotholes got so huge that the second half would've required a complete rewrite, and I couldn't finish it. Like Debra said, that sort of thing is kind of exasperating... partly because of the time invested reading, but more because of the wasted potential. (And I didn't feedback because how do you say, "Hi, you don't know me, I think your story could be great if you just rewrote the last ten chapters.")
I don't like the idea of telling anyone that they shouldn't/mustn't/can't write because of their age - or any other characteristic.Oh
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It's posts like this one that made me determined never to post Bones fic to a comm anymore. The anti-Brennan/Booth sentiment is quite strong and there's almost a perception that simply because Brennan/Booth is a relatively dominant ship that any fic for it must be crap and the only reason people read ( ... )
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Yeah, I don't understand the logic... I heard people say they were so offended by a fic that they need the place to rant. Not reading the story sounds like the more logical solution. And, sorry, but when a story comes with the warning "character bashing" in the author's note (which was where I hit the back button because I hate character bashing) and people go ahead and read it anyway, why on earth do they go to a rant comm afterwards to complain that there was character bashing in the fic? Unless they read it in order to have rant fodder.
I think it's far more constructive to try to collate lists of good fic rather than wasting time on the bad.
Wordy McWordcakes.
It's posts like this one that made me determined never to post Bones fic to a comm anymore.You're not the first one to say that. And it just sucks. I like your fic. I'm sure plenty others at the comms would like it, too. How ( ... )
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Some people just like ranting, I guess.
I have, on rare occasions, criticized a fic by name -- but I've done it in my own lj, because doing it in a more public venue feels to me kind of like coming over to someone's house for the express purpose of telling them that their baby is ugly. The other thing is, it's almost always good fic that I find myself criticizing, because bad fic doesn't bother me in the same way. Bad fic is just . . . out there, and there's always going to be more of it; criticizing it is like shooting fish in a ( ... )
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I have, on rare occasions, criticized a fic by name -- but I've done it in my own lj, because doing it in a more public venue feels to me kind of like coming over to someone's house for the express purpose of telling them that their baby is ugly.
*g* apt comparison. Yeah, I think that's a problem here. Public venue. It's a locked comm but Bones fandom is way too small for them to fly under the radar and the chances of an author finding out are pretty high (unlike fanficrants, which it's modelled after, I think I read... and fanficrants is still a major sponsor of fandom_wank.)
It's not like I never indulged in some pointing-and-laughing at badfic... I'm pretty sure I have. Badfic can be frikking funny. I found babymimi's intentional badfic so hilarious that I could barely read through the tears ;). But it is better kept to the privacy of one's journal where the writer really has to go out of their way to find it ( ... )
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My reaction to the criticism of my first friend for writing, and the second friend, for reccing, was, I admit characteristic of me. Although I don't like Booth slash at all, I was impelled to write one---a remix of first friend's fic (with her blessing). Then the second friend told me to post it to a bones slash comm. I had to tell her, "There's the whole thing where I don't go to comms!"
And of course, after writing Booth and Brennan friendship, I was so annoyed at the bashing that I put 'em together.
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I hear you. A stubborn little part inside me imagined writing a pregnant!Brennan fic where in a subplot Booth, Zack, and Hodgins make out like crazy. Just out of spite. (But on second thought I'll stick to my earlier idea of a Bones/NCIS genfic, that's easier to pull off.)
I'm very curious to read both your remix and the original story. Haven't read either yet because I didn't want the wank to color my reading... that's kinda like eating when you're stressed.
And of course, after writing Booth and Brennan friendship, I was so annoyed at the bashing that I put 'em together.Hee. Took me by surprise, too. I loved the ending, by the way. Particularly since, as it was yours, a B/B ending *wasn't* predictable. Loved the whole fic, and should have commented more but I had one of them ( ... )
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Don't like a particular pairing, don't read it. It's that simple.
Which is the other story you're referencing? I love your writing and in fact, I keep meaning to friend you if that's ok.
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I don't like the idea of telling anyone that they shouldn't/mustn't/can't write because of their age - or any other characteristic.
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Yup. And if they don't like it and finish it anyway, it's really their problem. Not rocket science, that.
Usually you can tell right away if a story is for you, anyway. I've read only one Bones fic that started so promising that I put it in my potential-rec folder and printed it out (multi-chapter!) to find that the author lost track of the plot near the end. It was a very ambitious story, just the plotholes got so huge that the second half would've required a complete rewrite, and I couldn't finish it. Like Debra said, that sort of thing is kind of exasperating... partly because of the time invested reading, but more because of the wasted potential. (And I didn't feedback because how do you say, "Hi, you don't know me, I think your story could be great if you just rewrote the last ten chapters.")
I don't like the idea of telling anyone that they shouldn't/mustn't/can't write because of their age - or any other characteristic.Oh ( ... )
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