Something that has been on my mind for a while (hee...for a good reason I have to add) is how do fans generally feel about their work being used in other fans work
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I think crediting is important but other than that, it's a free for all once you've released something. Remix culture is remix culture, I say!
I used to be much more precious about it--for Destiny Calling I got all of the vidders' permission before release--but for Still Alive and Coin Operated Boy I used took and credited.
Yeah - I agree about the credit as the only way we get "paid" is through acknowledgement.
And I sometimes wonder if maybe we can become too precious about the permissions - or maybe worried. It's more worry that I'm feeling atm. Did you ever get any fallout from using people's work without seeking permission first?
Nope, I mean not anywhere I've seen it anyway. My guess is that people who would be offended are not the kind of people who would actually watch my vids, LOL.
I freely make my photos available and am always thrilled to see them used (especially in fanvids). I've never even thought about credit being offered in a fanvid. I mean, how would that work? I imagine a fanvid is composed of a LOT of source material and it would never occur to me to see a long credit list at the end
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It would depend on the actual vid. When I used redteekal's photos in a vid I make I credited her and her partner at the end of the vid. Credit can be given in the end credits.
Tumblr has opened up a new level of fan work use I think. I've been hearing lately that fans really jump on other fans who take work and post it as their own over there (I didn't realise that). I never really understood how reblogging worked, but now I see it's a form of reccing and saving. So - it's a nice thing!
I have a blanket statement on my LJ that my fandom stuff can be used as long as I'm credited somewhere (and I think I also say 'informed', but that's far less important.)
I'm flattered to pieces, more often than not. But I draw the line when someone's trying to make a profit or claim my work as their own. So far, neither has happened, huzzah!
Part of the glory of fannish work is in the sharing, yeah?
This all sounds fair and I think that generally fans respect other fans work. I've never understood people taking other fans work and posting it as their own because any feedback would be empty.
I've often wondered about this myself. Considering everything we put out there is based on someone's copyrighted work itself, we can hardly claim foul if the same is done with ours. Most people just like to get credit which is the most we can ask for, I think. Asking for permission merely a matter of courtesy the way I see it.
I suppose having it done to our own work helps us understand why some people (pro writers for example) take umbrage at their stuff being used. Maybe there are some fans who don't mind it and some that do. Mostly I think people are happy to have their work used...probably. ;))
Personally, my stance would be - once it's out there, it's out there, and as long as people do not make a profit from it it's fair game. I'd like to be told if my stuff is used, just because it's nice to know, not really for asking permission. The only reason I could see trying to veto it would be if somebody wanted to use it in connection with a hateful message, e.g. racism, but I don't really worry about that happenicng. If one day I turn my back to fandom I would either remove everything or it's fair game.
However, I know I am a minority with this stance. For vidding cons you need explicit permission from the vidder to show the vid. When I struggeled with this with a youtube vid (short of 2000 views) because the vidder did not get back to me and had no other contact info available I suggested that for vids that are so clearly in the public domain (youtube) it should be okay to show the vid anyway I was clearly told NO by concom and a number of people weight in being quite enraged that I was suggesting it.
I'm even more in the minority in that I don't get why clip-stealing is considered such a big deal. Often in my LJ communities there is someone posting outraged that someone is using clips from their video without permission and encouraging members of the community to dog-pile said person. And idk I can understand being frustrated if the clips took a long time to put together but, at the risk of being unpopular, I do think that people get a bit too precious at not sharing their clips when does it really hurt them personally in any way
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For most part I don't get clip-stealing, either. It's not 'my' clip to start with. There are some scenecs with masking and effects that I am quite proud off, and I probably wouldn't be thrilled if somebody took them without crediting, but I doubt I'd start The Inquisition over it... but it hasn't happened yet, so what do I know?
I think the clip stealing is purely about the editing. Editing takes a long time and is pretty personal in terms of the way you chose to edit something. If someone put a video together using someone else's edits I would say it's being lazy and the work is not theirs so they shouldn't be credited with it. If, however, they were making a statement of some sort or transforming it some way by remixing it then that might be different.
I would liken it to taking someone's story and changing a few words and claiming it's theirs. Or taking a piece of art, colouring over it and saying it's theirs. It's taking someone else's time and effort and claiming it as your own that I think the issue lies. Well, that would be my personal issue with it. Constructing a video is about making your own editing choices - not taking someone else's.
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I used to be much more precious about it--for Destiny Calling I got all of the vidders' permission before release--but for Still Alive and Coin Operated Boy I used took and credited.
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And I sometimes wonder if maybe we can become too precious about the permissions - or maybe worried. It's more worry that I'm feeling atm. Did you ever get any fallout from using people's work without seeking permission first?
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I mean, how would that work?
It would depend on the actual vid. When I used redteekal's photos in a vid I make I credited her and her partner at the end of the vid. Credit can be given in the end credits.
Tumblr has opened up a new level of fan work use I think. I've been hearing lately that fans really jump on other fans who take work and post it as their own over there (I didn't realise that). I never really understood how reblogging worked, but now I see it's a form of reccing and saving. So - it's a nice thing!
It's a creative fest every day.
Oh yes yes!! Lucky us! \o/
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I'm flattered to pieces, more often than not. But I draw the line when someone's trying to make a profit or claim my work as their own. So far, neither has happened, huzzah!
Part of the glory of fannish work is in the sharing, yeah?
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However, I know I am a minority with this stance. For vidding cons you need explicit permission from the vidder to show the vid. When I struggeled with this with a youtube vid (short of 2000 views) because the vidder did not get back to me and had no other contact info available I suggested that for vids that are so clearly in the public domain (youtube) it should be okay to show the vid anyway I was clearly told NO by concom and a number of people weight in being quite enraged that I was suggesting it.
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I would liken it to taking someone's story and changing a few words and claiming it's theirs. Or taking a piece of art, colouring over it and saying it's theirs. It's taking someone else's time and effort and claiming it as your own that I think the issue lies. Well, that would be my personal issue with it. Constructing a video is about making your own editing choices - not taking someone else's.
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