Angel 5.18 "Origin"

Apr 21, 2004 22:30

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faith21 April 22 2004, 22:14:35 UTC
where was this stuff earlier this season?
Exactly what I was thinking. Do you think any of the plot was changed (sped up) because of the cancellation?

They remembered Sajean
Can you refresh my memory as to when exactly we saw him? I recognized the name when I heard it, but I don't remember the episode or story behind it (this is why we need previouslies).

Connor wasn't as obnoxious so that was also good.
I actually liked him for once. Amazing. He (Vincent) played it pretty well too, since he was walking a fine line between remembering and not last night.

btw don't go there [imdb] to look, apparently ever
Just out of curiosity, where on the site does it give this info? The actors pages? Show page? I do visit there frequently and I want to know where to avoid.

Evil Jayne is amusing. The accent was better, I'm getting used to it.
Ditto.

Sort of a bummer that only Wesley remember though
He's the only one we really see, so is it that the others remember also, or only him because he was in the room?

I like Dead-Fred
Amy is doing ( ... )

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Ats 5.18 'origin' ascii_70_85 April 24 2004, 22:35:04 UTC
where was this stuff earlier this season?
Exactly what I was thinking. Do you think any of the plot was changed (sped up) because of the cancellation?
Of course. They probably sped up the plot, changed it up, and made it better. It this is going to be 'it' might as well tote out their 'A' game. See 'BtVS mid-S7 slack' to "Chosen".

They remembered Sajean.
Can you refresh my memory as to when exactly we saw him? I recognized the name when I heard it, but I don't remember the episode or story behind it (this is why we need previouslies).
Big involved thing -- Sajean(sp) brought back Holtz, because he was non-coporal in this dimension. He wanted Holtz to kill Darla before she could give birth. But Holtz's motive was to get revenge on Angel, not to kill Connor. Then Sajean made fake prophecies so Wes would hand Connor over. Then Sajean opens the rift to Q'uortoth, and Holtz takes Connor ( ... )

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Re: Ats 5.18 'origin' faith21 April 25 2004, 21:02:27 UTC
Big involved thing...
Now I remember. Also interesting to note that I was just watching "The Trial" and Holtz is mentioned as the vampire killer following Angelus & Darla.

I thought it'd be amusing if when he came back for this episode (before I knew it was going to happen), that he'd clumsily knock the jar over
That would have been great.

liked him?!?!
Amazing. He (Vincent) played it pretty well too, since he was walking a fine line between remembering and not last night.
He was okay. He got to be less annoying since he's different now. Probably a relief for the actor "Good, now maybe they won't hate me."
I know, it's strange. I really couldn't stand him the first time around. I guess he's okay in small, non-whiny doses. Same deal as with Cordy I guess. She was more tolerable in "You're Welcome" than as saint/evil Cordy all of season 4.

I was given the impression not so much.
So what did you think Connor meant by his last line then?

This one was quite good, I think last week's was better.
I liked them both, not sure which one ( ... )

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I just wanted to say that. ascii_70_85 April 26 2004, 22:23:31 UTC
Also interesting to note that I was just watching "The Trial" and Holtz is mentioned as the vampire killer following Angelus & Darla.
Yeah that's pretty cool. I like when they mention things like that a season or so ahead. They did that with the mayor, in 2.19 "I Only Have Eyes For You", I think, and a bit with Dawn here and there supposedly.

I thought it'd be amusing if when he came back for this episode (before I knew it was going to happen), that he'd clumsily knock the jar over
That would have been great.
Thanks. though granted that would been a bit of a rip off, but it made a bit of sense at the time. It's weird too, because he was kind of a bad-ass when he first arrived. "The Destroyer" and all.

liked him?!?!
Amazing. He (Vincent) played it pretty well too, since he was walking a fine line between remembering and not last night.
He was okay. He got to be less annoying since he's different now. Probably a relief for the actor "Good, now maybe they won't hate me."I know, it's strange. I really couldn't stand him the first time ( ... )

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