Just Musing, but...

Jul 20, 2009 17:01

Reading an article on Jezebel brought this suggestion to my mind. I don't quite agree with it, but it made me think and I believe it'll make others think as well ( Read more... )

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nyghtinggail July 21 2009, 00:27:42 UTC
I really love that idea. I'm not very prochoice but I understand it's necessity, particularly in a world that is over crowded. I don't believe most teenagers are ready to be parents, clearly not all adults are either- but more so than the 'not ready' is the 'not willing' and those who will never be able to parent functionally. Also, I think by outlawing abortion you will have the women who resort to back alley ones and really hurt themselves and a child.

I think the community on a whole should have children's well being in mind, a community service act even. Like weekend camp, available especially for single moms.

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ariannash July 21 2009, 00:38:44 UTC
Yeah, I'm actually pro-choice politically, but pro-life personally. As in, I don't believe abortion is okay, but I'm not going to impose my beliefs on others. I just don't believe you should legislate morality (in this sense, because of privacy issues)...

Instead, one should encourage people to have their children and to be responsible and to give them all the tools they need if they choose to abort or have the child, and to make it less of a necessity. Back alley abortions and feeling trapped is not good for families and kids and it really benefits nobody, but abortion often leads to depression as well.

Part of my suggestion was actually tongue-in-cheek too, because I'm running on the idea that the people saying every type of abortion should be outlawed probably never even thought about forcing the guy to participate in the birth as well.

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godfounddaze July 23 2009, 06:26:12 UTC
we are the samesies. this is why you're hot, this is why you're hot, this is why this is why this is why you're hott. :)

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ariannash July 23 2009, 22:26:55 UTC
<3

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djafwe July 21 2009, 23:55:13 UTC
It seems like this would suffer in real world, practical applications. It's not difficult to penalize a woman for having an abortion - either she did or she didn't and that's pretty much the end of it. But to make it a legal imperative for a man to stay with a woman? I'm against that on so many levels ( ... )

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nyghtinggail July 22 2009, 20:10:55 UTC
I don't think she was implying they had to stay together as a unit- but that he was unavailable to leave her as a single mother. He would have to take half the child care duty- custody being a half/half situation.

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djafwe July 22 2009, 23:39:26 UTC
That's a little more practical than the way I had interpreted it, but even still...a man who runs off is not going to make a good father. I feel sorry for the kid whose dad only spends time with him because he'll go to jail if he doesn't. I still maintain that raising a kid like that is really going to warp his views on love, family and affection, leading to the same sorts of problems if he ever decides to have a kid of his own.

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djafwe July 23 2009, 01:11:22 UTC
I don't know, a good majority of kids I know with really bad parenting experiences are very deliberate about not wanting the same thing for their children.
I understand what you're saying. But is it much better for the mother that wants an abortion to be forced to keep her child? I think the whole idea was about keeping the ideology against abortion even. Given, I think pregnancy leads to great love with your child, but I think men feel that compelling love for their babies as well planned or not.

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mamunia July 22 2009, 22:55:30 UTC
i just can't get behind the idea of telling anyone what they can and cannot do with their bodies, as much as i hate the fact that there are women out there getting multiple abortions because, for whatever reason, they are too stupid/ignorant/lazy/fucked-up to take care of the situation before it happens. but, sometimes accidents happen even when you take precautions. i could sort of get on board with a two or three strikes you're out kind of possibility, but not for the first one. (first one's free! lol) but there are so many issues with that as well. i like the idea of holding a man responsible as well, but that's never going to happen. if you're a sexually-active woman, you need to be prepared to handle a pregnancy (in whatever fashion) alone. if you can't deal with that, then you shouldn't be doing it. it might not be fair, but that's the simple reality. *sigh* i don't know.. i could go on and on.

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ariannash July 23 2009, 22:44:00 UTC
Yeah, I agree with you too. I don't want to tell someone what to do with their bodies, but I also find it frustratingly sad that some people get multiple abortions. But I really think that education and proactive public policy will right that wrong, rather than making it illegal. But yeah, accidents do happen even with precautions, and I think that if you outlaw either abortion and/or implement my "radical" idea, you're setting society up for a 1950s revival where sex is just for procreation, and frankly... I think that's stupid. :P ( ... )

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