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Future Evolution of American Atheism

Aug 18, 2007 16:34

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jmlow August 18 2007, 21:03:45 UTC

I doubt that. Everywhere you look new churches are popping up. Christianity is set into the world culture and I doubt there is anything we could do to change it ( ... )

Re: relativism = fail eggsnail August 19 2007, 00:25:03 UTC

I have to agree with some of the other comments about the basis behind your argument/logic/what-have-you. There is no conclusive proof for or against the existence of any mystical deity, thus neither side of this argument can claim absolute correctness and superiority over the other. Absolute conviction that you are correct, all right.

If by "tolerate" you mean tolerating an absolute overthrow of government and society by radical Christian theology, no I don't think we should tolerate that. But if you're using tolerate in it's actual dictionary connotation, I see no reason why a religious belief (or lack of belief) could not be tolerated simply because one person feels that it is absolutely wrong. Particularly since being overtly intolerant of a Christian's view on god, for example, would just throw you into the same fanatical close-minded camp as the Christians you believe are so wrong.

Frankly, I think the Christians are all wrong, too. But to say, "I'm right and you're wrong," particularly about something that neither party ( ... )

wood_elf August 18 2007, 22:05:54 UTC

Does it suck that there are constantly Christians trying to save your soul? Yes. Is it there right as free citizens of this world to do that? Of course.

But I'd really rather they didn't. What about my right as a free citizen of the world to be left alone?

jmlow August 19 2007, 00:06:29 UTC

You have the right to ignore them. Which I do.

wood_elf August 19 2007, 08:43:51 UTC

I can ignore them when they try to convert me (although it'd be nice if they'd not do that); however, when they're in the government making morality laws that affect me, it's a little harder to ignore.

ghoststrider August 19 2007, 14:14:52 UTC

At that point, yes, it's a problem. And at that point you should get very active to stop them.

But when they're acting like private citizens, whatcha gonna do?

george1001 August 19 2007, 16:07:40 UTC

You can't ignore them. Many fundamentalists want to implement their beliefs into law. Many are succeeding.

Furthermore, throughout the world, theocratic and near-theocratic states create tremendous suffering. It's callous and inhumane to just "ignore" that.

Bookstores in the past have refused to carry certain books or magazines because of threats from certain fundamentalists. That's not the kind of world I want.

ghoststrider August 19 2007, 16:09:15 UTC

I'm talking about ignoring people on the street. Certainly you can't ignore those in places of political power.

ghoststrider August 19 2007, 16:09:56 UTC

Whoops, I thought I wrote that.

george1001 August 19 2007, 16:19:19 UTC

yah, I was replying to jmlow.

ghoststrider August 18 2007, 22:21:52 UTC

Sounds like the rise of "Religious Humanism" and such things.

Also, glad to see I'm not the only one who doesn't mind religious/spiritual people. I seem to be the only one against organized religion and not religion itself.

PS: You used the right "there" there. ;-)

jmlow August 19 2007, 00:08:36 UTC

It is nice to see. And I said it's there right as free citizens, instead of their.

ghoststrider August 19 2007, 04:50:52 UTC

Oops. I was looking at the wrong "there".

peristaltor August 18 2007, 23:41:56 UTC

Well put.

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