II. That's the sequel to Girl Who Played With Fire? I've been told that series is very good, but I haven't read it yet?? How are you liking the series? How did you like the first book?
III. \o/ Yay! Can't wait to watch Community later tonight.
Bwahaha! And this one! To combat your icon, I give you this one of mine, where he's smiling yet I named it "fire and ice and rage" because it amused me.
Mine was kinda similar to yours in the sense that it was a slow build, cumulating with me holing myself up in my dorm speeding through s3 and s4 to get to Rose. But once I knew she was back and safe and happy, I went back and really watched to appreciate instead of just rushing through.
I dove into reading gobs of fanfic right away because I had ~feelings and ~emotions that needed resolving. I'm actually surprised how much of this fandom seems to be on LJ.
(oh btw, I sent you a message, not sure if you get alerts or not. nbd.)
I watched s4 week by week (...because I had no choice) but I had similar Rose tunnel-vision in the last 3 episodes. Even the episodes where she appaers briefly on the screen, I'd be so distracted. Like all I got out of the Sontaran eps the first time around was "OMG ROSE WAS THERE ON THE SCREEN FOR HALF A SECOND OMG OMG OMG". Journey's End actually made me cry the second time I watched it, not the first, because the first time I had too much "what's gonna happen???" adrenaline to be appropriately upset for poor Donna.
The idea of fanfic for a TV SHOW!! seemed outrageous to em at the time, but JE just wanted me to write fic so badly. And everyone was writing all this fic about how Cloen and Rose would break up and be miserable because he wasn't the same etc, and it made me sad, so I was all W/E INTERNET I WILL WRITE FLUFF.
(ORLY I don't usually notice unless I go to the lj homepage and I have not done that in a while. I will do that now.)
Like all I got out of the Sontaran eps the first time around was "OMG ROSE WAS THERE ON THE SCREEN FOR HALF A SECOND OMG OMG OMG".
YES. At least the bit in Partners in Crime was towards the end, so I didn't miss as much of the episode, but that DROVE ME CRAZY. BECAUSE SHE WAS ACTUALLY THERE. And I was freaking out, but then it's like, oh, well, I suppose I can actually just watch the next episode.
The first time I watched JE, I cried for the whole situation with Ten. Not Rose or Cloen. Whatever. But Ten. Upon rewatches though, I still get most upset with Donna. I have only watched that bit after Cloen and Rose hold hands two or three times tops because it upsets me so much.
LOL I was so used to seeking fanfic when canon just was enough.
AND OMG FIC LIKE THAT MAKES ME SAD. In the early days of my DW fic-reading, I would come across things like that accidentally and I'd be like whyyy would you write this???? D; D; D;
He totally did! lol omg I remember watching EOT1 and thinking RTD could not possibly out-gay himself, and then EOT2 opened with like, the bondage chair and "you could be beautiful~" and I laughed so hard.
I was spoiled for the Partners in Crime bit, so it was the television appearances that got me super keyed up. Especially the Sontaran one omg.
I feel really bad for Ten, yeah, and the scene where he says bye to Donna is just the WORST omg :( lol I must say, I was sooo convinced we'd get a Donna fix and some kind of reunion scene, because ROSE WAS "GONE FOREVER" AND WE KNOW HOW THAT TURNED OUT RIGHT??? I think that was the only thing that really disappointed me about EOT. :( :( BFF OTP
LOL I GET SO LIKE, OFFENDED BY THE EXISTENCE OF FIC LIKE THAT NOW. Every time I read one I get the familiar urge to write lots of fluff about how much they LOVE EACH OTHER 4EVA. I will write lots of angsty shit but never ever "they don't love each other" angst.
Bwahaha. Didn't he say somewhere how he pictured the Master off shagging someone in a bathroom or something before his confrontation with Ten? I mean what even RTD. I am not disapproving, but srsly. lol.
I was spoiled for all of the episodes Rose was in, but I have no rational thought when it comes to parts of that plotline. I flailed so hard.
I cannot even deal with the Ten/Donna BFF OTP relationship because I love it so much and there's no way to fix it, and yeah okay, they're both fine now but not really and she was in so much of EOT that I wanted JUST ONE BIT OF HER YELLING AT TEN. Even if she had to go back to forgetting. :(
One of my favorite lines, ever of Doctor Who is, "But really do you think I'd leave my best friend alone without a defense mechanism
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LOL WHAT? MAYBE? I DUNNO I HAVE NOT HEARD THAT BUT LOL @ IT, especially since at this poitn everyone was a Master clone.
she was in so much of EOT that I wanted JUST ONE BIT OF HER YELLING AT TEN. Even if she had to go back to forgetting. :(I KNOW :( AND THE CLIFFHANGER WAS SO MEAN BECAUSE IT WAS ALL ":O DONNA'S REMEMBERING" AND I WAS LIKE "YESSSSS" and then she FELL ASLEEP which incidentally, Ten, is THE WORST defense mechanism WTF. She was just passed out in an alleyway on a planet full of Master clones. D: But I am kind of intrigued by the implication that she's not ~fully human anymore (since she didn't turn into a Master clone
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Ok. Going to find it. Ah! Found it in The Bible of RTD:
"So, I think the Master should disguise himself. He could dye his hair blond. In a public toilet. He's scrubbing away at the sink. That puts in mind an Ortonesque post-watershed scene where the Master is dying his hair like a rent boy, and a smart businessman comes in cruising, and the Maste takes him into a cubicle, and murders him. Maybe after sex. That won't happen, fo obvious reasons, but I thought of it anyway. Why do I think of things that will never happen?"
I was intrigued by that as well! I mean, it's not ever going to be explored now, but it does leave some interesting possibilities for fic. Or 2013. You know. I feel like after 2013 happens or doesn't happen how I want it, I'm going to have to deal with the fact that all these things that I want to happen are probably never going to happen
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I've actually only read about 100 pages of it. I think I then had to go eat dinner or something and just didn't pick it up again. It reads really easily and it super interesting. In the first 100 pages, I learned that Catherine Tate saved my version of the show because RTD was planning on introducing a new character that the Doctor would fall in love with, because he "missed writing the Doctor in love". Which is sweet, but at that point he knew Billie was coming back, so I was just confused. But then Catherine was interested, so he brought Donna back and now anything else would be unacceptable.
It's not so much 'fix it' as it is 'make myself feel better about it' fic, I guess.Yes. Immediately after I watched, I needed actual fixit fic, where dying!Ten goes back into Cloen's body or something so that EVERYONE IS HAPPY. But now I've just gotten over a lot of it and I am sorta okay with Ten dying. I just go off and read Rose and Cloen stories
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I skimmed the bits about Penny when I first got the book but I totally missed the love plotline omg dnw. TY CATHERINE TATE, NATIONAL HERO ETC.
rofl yes "Evil Sweden" was our working title for a long time. We tend to pick titles at the very last possible second, so in the meantime they have working titles that end up living on in my heart. We've been working on one called "Octopus" for like ....six months.
:O Maybe for like a day? Or two? Three? EEEK. It's not like Rose did it all by herself. Awwww. Poor Rose.I think he has too many issues to want children (as discussed and then exacerbated by The Doctor's Daughter), and I think he would panic if presented with that reality, and his reaction when he panics is usually to flee, so that's what I think he would do. lol there's this like whole never-to-be-written fic in my head about it but the tl;dr version is that he would think he was doing the right thing~ because he has a tendency to blow up his children, and then eventually that would be compounded by guilt and fear and cowardice
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Yeah, there was this whole thing about how RTD was like oh, he sees this girl and it's like both hearts - BAM! I was reading and was like NOOOOO RT WHAT ARE YOU DOING TO ME.
Octopus sounds very thrilling.
Very interesting with all your Doctor and children thoughts. I can definitely see where you're coming.
I hate when the pregnancy/children are used as an obvious plot point to an annoying level, but if it's there I usually get excited. I CANNOT RESIST ADORABLE Dad!Cloen/Ten/David. I have gotten too much enjoyment out of Jim & Pam's baby and JKras holding that thing.
LOL That is so weird to fathom and so awkward. Ty Catherine Tate for your great service to humanity.
LIRL Poor Octopus. I hope it gets finished some day.
I mean, I can see why that is not ever what happens in babyfic, because even I don't want to write it. But it's also like... what I see happening with my conception of the characters, so a) I don't want them to have babies and b) them having babies in other people's fic is hard for me to read because it goes against how I see the characters.
Plus kids are had to write, so even though it can be cute I don't write Tony often.
I KNOW. After I read that bit, I dramatically declared that Catherine Tate was my favorite person ever.
I get it. Like it's just so part of your head canon that it's weird for you to read it? And hard for you to accept the fic then? Bad example, but it drives me INSANE when for some reason Cloen likes wearing black leather jackets and sweaters. UM WHAT? Like fine he's not in suits at all times, but now he's just Nine? No, just don't do that. But it's so a part of my head canon, I am confused when other people see SUCH AN OBVIOUS thing that way.
IKR? she gave me the glory that is Donna Noble AND she aborted Ten/Penny before it started.
YEAH basically. Like Cloen and Rose with babies is as weird and DNW for me as him suddenly calling himself John Smith. OR DRESSING LIKE NINE. IF HE WANTED TO DRESS LIKE NINE, HE HAD AN ENTIRE TARDIS WARDROBE AT HIS DISPOSAL. BUT HE PICKED UP THE BLUE SUIT. lol I also imagine he just wears suits every day, ngl. This is partly because, let's be honest, suits are hot, and partly because he is just weird like that. I imagine he owns more than one suit, but still. Suits ahoy.
I BET YOU SHE DOESN'T EVEN KNOW ALL OF THE DOCTOR/ROSE SHIPPERS SHE SAVED.
YES. And I need Cloen being weird/a shitty human on a daily basis. It's just such a huge part of how I see Ten, and therefore, see Cloen being in that situation. I am so unbelievably picky about my preference of alien-ness versus human-ness in Cloen.
I basically imagine that other than the Doctor not really getting any, he is basically Barney Stinson's role model. Suits FTW.
III. \o/ Yay! Can't wait to watch Community later tonight.
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Mine was kinda similar to yours in the sense that it was a slow build, cumulating with me holing myself up in my dorm speeding through s3 and s4 to get to Rose. But once I knew she was back and safe and happy, I went back and really watched to appreciate instead of just rushing through.
I dove into reading gobs of fanfic right away because I had ~feelings and ~emotions that needed resolving. I'm actually surprised how much of this fandom seems to be on LJ.
(oh btw, I sent you a message, not sure if you get alerts or not. nbd.)
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I watched s4 week by week (...because I had no choice) but I had similar Rose tunnel-vision in the last 3 episodes. Even the episodes where she appaers briefly on the screen, I'd be so distracted. Like all I got out of the Sontaran eps the first time around was "OMG ROSE WAS THERE ON THE SCREEN FOR HALF A SECOND OMG OMG OMG". Journey's End actually made me cry the second time I watched it, not the first, because the first time I had too much "what's gonna happen???" adrenaline to be appropriately upset for poor Donna.
The idea of fanfic for a TV SHOW!! seemed outrageous to em at the time, but JE just wanted me to write fic so badly. And everyone was writing all this fic about how Cloen and Rose would break up and be miserable because he wasn't the same etc, and it made me sad, so I was all W/E INTERNET I WILL WRITE FLUFF.
(ORLY I don't usually notice unless I go to the lj homepage and I have not done that in a while. I will do that now.)
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Like all I got out of the Sontaran eps the first time around was "OMG ROSE WAS THERE ON THE SCREEN FOR HALF A SECOND OMG OMG OMG".
YES. At least the bit in Partners in Crime was towards the end, so I didn't miss as much of the episode, but that DROVE ME CRAZY. BECAUSE SHE WAS ACTUALLY THERE. And I was freaking out, but then it's like, oh, well, I suppose I can actually just watch the next episode.
The first time I watched JE, I cried for the whole situation with Ten. Not Rose or Cloen. Whatever. But Ten. Upon rewatches though, I still get most upset with Donna. I have only watched that bit after Cloen and Rose hold hands two or three times tops because it upsets me so much.
LOL I was so used to seeking fanfic when canon just was enough.
AND OMG FIC LIKE THAT MAKES ME SAD. In the early days of my DW fic-reading, I would come across things like that accidentally and I'd be like whyyy would you write this???? D; D; D;
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I was spoiled for the Partners in Crime bit, so it was the television appearances that got me super keyed up. Especially the Sontaran one omg.
I feel really bad for Ten, yeah, and the scene where he says bye to Donna is just the WORST omg :( lol I must say, I was sooo convinced we'd get a Donna fix and some kind of reunion scene, because ROSE WAS "GONE FOREVER" AND WE KNOW HOW THAT TURNED OUT RIGHT??? I think that was the only thing that really disappointed me about EOT. :( :( BFF OTP
LOL I GET SO LIKE, OFFENDED BY THE EXISTENCE OF FIC LIKE THAT NOW. Every time I read one I get the familiar urge to write lots of fluff about how much they LOVE EACH OTHER 4EVA. I will write lots of angsty shit but never ever "they don't love each other" angst.
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I was spoiled for all of the episodes Rose was in, but I have no rational thought when it comes to parts of that plotline. I flailed so hard.
I cannot even deal with the Ten/Donna BFF OTP relationship because I love it so much and there's no way to fix it, and yeah okay, they're both fine now but not really and she was in so much of EOT that I wanted JUST ONE BIT OF HER YELLING AT TEN. Even if she had to go back to forgetting. :(
One of my favorite lines, ever of Doctor Who is, "But really do you think I'd leave my best friend alone without a defense mechanism ( ... )
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she was in so much of EOT that I wanted JUST ONE BIT OF HER YELLING AT TEN. Even if she had to go back to forgetting. :(I KNOW :( AND THE CLIFFHANGER WAS SO MEAN BECAUSE IT WAS ALL ":O DONNA'S REMEMBERING" AND I WAS LIKE "YESSSSS" and then she FELL ASLEEP which incidentally, Ten, is THE WORST defense mechanism WTF. She was just passed out in an alleyway on a planet full of Master clones. D: But I am kind of intrigued by the implication that she's not ~fully human anymore (since she didn't turn into a Master clone ( ... )
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"So, I think the Master should disguise himself. He could dye his hair blond. In a public toilet. He's scrubbing away at the sink. That puts in mind an Ortonesque post-watershed scene where the Master is dying his hair like a rent boy, and a smart businessman comes in cruising, and the Maste takes him into a cubicle, and murders him. Maybe after sex. That won't happen, fo obvious reasons, but I thought of it anyway. Why do I think of things that will never happen?"
I was intrigued by that as well! I mean, it's not ever going to be explored now, but it does leave some interesting possibilities for fic. Or 2013. You know. I feel like after 2013 happens or doesn't happen how I want it, I'm going to have to deal with the fact that all these things that I want to happen are probably never going to happen ( ... )
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It's not so much 'fix it' as it is 'make myself feel better about it' fic, I guess.Yes. Immediately after I watched, I needed actual fixit fic, where dying!Ten goes back into Cloen's body or something so that EVERYONE IS HAPPY. But now I've just gotten over a lot of it and I am sorta okay with Ten dying. I just go off and read Rose and Cloen stories ( ... )
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rofl yes "Evil Sweden" was our working title for a long time. We tend to pick titles at the very last possible second, so in the meantime they have working titles that end up living on in my heart. We've been working on one called "Octopus" for like ....six months.
:O Maybe for like a day? Or two? Three? EEEK. It's not like Rose did it all by herself. Awwww. Poor Rose.I think he has too many issues to want children (as discussed and then exacerbated by The Doctor's Daughter), and I think he would panic if presented with that reality, and his reaction when he panics is usually to flee, so that's what I think he would do. lol there's this like whole never-to-be-written fic in my head about it but the tl;dr version is that he would think he was doing the right thing~ because he has a tendency to blow up his children, and then eventually that would be compounded by guilt and fear and cowardice ( ... )
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Octopus sounds very thrilling.
Very interesting with all your Doctor and children thoughts. I can definitely see where you're coming.
I hate when the pregnancy/children are used as an obvious plot point to an annoying level, but if it's there I usually get excited. I CANNOT RESIST ADORABLE Dad!Cloen/Ten/David. I have gotten too much enjoyment out of Jim & Pam's baby and JKras holding that thing.
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LIRL Poor Octopus. I hope it gets finished some day.
I mean, I can see why that is not ever what happens in babyfic, because even I don't want to write it. But it's also like... what I see happening with my conception of the characters, so a) I don't want them to have babies and b) them having babies in other people's fic is hard for me to read because it goes against how I see the characters.
Plus kids are had to write, so even though it can be cute I don't write Tony often.
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I get it. Like it's just so part of your head canon that it's weird for you to read it? And hard for you to accept the fic then? Bad example, but it drives me INSANE when for some reason Cloen likes wearing black leather jackets and sweaters. UM WHAT? Like fine he's not in suits at all times, but now he's just Nine? No, just don't do that. But it's so a part of my head canon, I am confused when other people see SUCH AN OBVIOUS thing that way.
Oh I know.
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YEAH basically. Like Cloen and Rose with babies is as weird and DNW for me as him suddenly calling himself John Smith. OR DRESSING LIKE NINE. IF HE WANTED TO DRESS LIKE NINE, HE HAD AN ENTIRE TARDIS WARDROBE AT HIS DISPOSAL. BUT HE PICKED UP THE BLUE SUIT. lol I also imagine he just wears suits every day, ngl. This is partly because, let's be honest, suits are hot, and partly because he is just weird like that. I imagine he owns more than one suit, but still. Suits ahoy.
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YES. And I need Cloen being weird/a shitty human on a daily basis. It's just such a huge part of how I see Ten, and therefore, see Cloen being in that situation. I am so unbelievably picky about my preference of alien-ness versus human-ness in Cloen.
I basically imagine that other than the Doctor not really getting any, he is basically Barney Stinson's role model. Suits FTW.
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