Never in a million years would that have crossed my mind, but now that it's there I love it. Your theory makes perfect sense. Why didn't Rob think of that. I didn't get astrid's involvement so thanks for explaining it.
I wish we could just have some explanation of what the hell happened in that episode. Duncan not being the father fills most of the major plotholes and we'd just be left with the WTF-ness of the rest of the season so far.
Well, that's an interesting way of fixing all the plotholes. I'd love it if Duncan turned out not to be the father. I've been wishing that since they first told us there was a damn baby. But ultimately, that would make this season WAY too much about this stupid baby/Meg/Duncan storyline when really we have bigger things to look at. I can't even believe how much time this storyline already consumed, when we've hardly heard a thing about the bus crash and the Felix murder has just NOW started to be investigated. Like they are SERIOUSLY taking their time with these REALLY complicated season arc mysteries. Last year, they were great with keeping the Kane mystery in almost every ep, but damn, this year, they've got too much going on and are just losing it. Now, if they wanted to do the retcont sometime next year, revisit it in the same way they did with the Koontz and Amelia thing, that would be great. I'd have absolutely no problem with that...
Considering how much they've already made the season about that stupid storyline, I wouldn't mind one last mention that would make it all make some sort of sense.
I couldn't believe my ears when I heard that RT said that he didn't realize that they weren't spending enough time on the main mystery. Did he get too caught up in the soap opera plot and forget or something? And it also shows why he's not really understanding the problems with Veronica this season. Whenever I see her not giving a crap about the main mystery, it makes me care that much less about it. I'm much more invested in the Felix murder because Logan keeps trying to figure out what happened. I actually wonder if I'll ever care about the bus crash not that it's been so soundly ignored for half a season.
I couldn't believe my ears when I heard that RT said that he didn't realize that they weren't spending enough time on the main mystery.
Yea, I'm still abit flabbergasted myself. He had to realize it after fans kept telling him? I felt like saying, Rob do you even watch your own show anymore? He seeme to have such a grasp on last season, I just don't understand how he can be so blind this year.
I'm watching M.A.D. right now. Siiiigh. I miss the old days.
(Except, there's a total clothing continuity problem with Veronica that used to bug the crap out of my every time I watched this episode...and now not so much. I wish the only problems the show had these days was clothing continuity. :p)
Also, it's interesting to me, while watching this episode, to see how different Veronica was around Logan. Well, not different, but just much more cautious, almost timid, in her tone of voice, in the way she carries herself around him. Makes total sense and all, but it's interesting in light of the way Veronica acted around Duncan. I don't know what I'm trying to say here, but it's just something I noticed while watching this time. You know, back when the show was focusing on character moments, and the different ways they'd act around each other given their situations. :p
but it's interesting in light of the way Veronica acted around DuncanThis is one of the problems I have with Veronica and Duncan. It would have been so much better if the writers decided to go the build up route for them instead of the boyfriend fakout
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The "you're gonna get fleas" comment is a dig at Logan, but otherwise I totally agree.
The problem with Duncan's characterization is that we're apparently supposed to buy what we hear from behind the scenes more than we're supposed to understand what we see on-screen. Like KB saying in Austin that there were a lot of things Duncan did for Veronica that we didn't see. As the audience, we can't be expected to infer things that are basically the opposite of what plays out. If Duncan really was a good, caring boyfriend, then show us that, don't fake us out with the "did he or didn't he sleep with Kendall" and don't show him ignoring Veronica, treating her like a dirty secret, etc. Duncan's characterization in season 1 was opaque out of necessity for making his possible role in the rape and/or murder believable, but if he's supposed to be a great boyfriend in season 2, then they have to show us that. We are not mind-readers, we only know what we see on-screen, and Duncan as a choir boy is not one of the things I saw, that's for sure.
I just read this aloud to petsforchairs and she made an interesting comment. Because Meg's dad being the dad is too creepy for words, (and I totally love your Duncan wasnt the father theory, makes SO MUCH SENSE) what if it was that babysitting dad? the one who was all "wanna come out to my yacht?" or whatever... hmm.
See, I think making the babysitting dad the father would be pretty much ruining Meg's characterization. I just don't see why she'd ever do that. Not even after she found Duncan beating up his car. However, I can see her running to Cole after that. It does seem that he was her boyfriend for quite some time, and enough time had passed since their break-up for her to start to look back on him fondly. The only thing that wouldn't explain would be why Cole didn't fight for custody. But maybe Duncan went to him and Cole said something to the effect of "why should I bother? Someone else is already handling the problem."
I'd thought about Cole too, but to me he seems like the type who wouldve made a HUGE deal if he's slept with Meg just because it'd effectively trash her, yknow? but I do see your point about babysitting dad... I dunno. I feel like someone needs to write "five people who aren't the father of Meg's baby", yknow?
See, I don't really see Cole as that big a jerk. Yes, he was an asshole after the purity test thing, but I think a lot of that was covering up hurt because he really did believe the things he'd read. Meg being with him, for however long, sort of sets him up as a nice guy since I doubt she'd be with him if he wasn't.
I feel like someone needs to write "five people who aren't the father of Meg's baby", yknow? Where's Sorcha when you need her? ;-)
I thought that Astrid was dating Vinnie. It gives a bit more reasoning behind why Celeste would hire Vinnie in the first place, and when Veronica sees him in the hallway, the scene is really kind of pointless aside from his mentioning that he's waiting for his girlfriend to get off work. It also explains why they could be more sure that Vinnie wouldn't go back to Celeste for a counter offer: he wouldn't be as likely to give a deal to his girlfriend's much-hated boss. So it's still the path of least resistance: the path where his girlfriend doesn't give him any grief over the case
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You know, Astrid dating Vinnie would sort of make sense, except for the part with the letter. If they were dating, why wouldn't Duncan and Veronica just have her ask him to help instead of putting it all down on paper?
it just seems more likely that this was one big roundabout retconned way to get Duncan off the show while in white knight mode. So what's one more retcon, right? Just make the baby someone else's and soooo much will be explained.
I have to agree, though, the storyline was poorly planned, written and executed. I'm just trying to find a way to make sense of it so that I won't have to think they suck too much. I want to love VM, I really do! They're just making it very hard for me right now.
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I couldn't believe my ears when I heard that RT said that he didn't realize that they weren't spending enough time on the main mystery. Did he get too caught up in the soap opera plot and forget or something? And it also shows why he's not really understanding the problems with Veronica this season. Whenever I see her not giving a crap about the main mystery, it makes me care that much less about it. I'm much more invested in the Felix murder because Logan keeps trying to figure out what happened. I actually wonder if I'll ever care about the bus crash not that it's been so soundly ignored for half a season.
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Yea, I'm still abit flabbergasted myself. He had to realize it after fans kept telling him? I felt like saying, Rob do you even watch your own show anymore? He seeme to have such a grasp on last season, I just don't understand how he can be so blind this year.
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Oh, meant to add: "and lowers my opinion of her for not caring."
Also, that "not" should be a "now". I really shouldn't try to type.
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(Except, there's a total clothing continuity problem with Veronica that used to bug the crap out of my every time I watched this episode...and now not so much. I wish the only problems the show had these days was clothing continuity. :p)
Also, it's interesting to me, while watching this episode, to see how different Veronica was around Logan. Well, not different, but just much more cautious, almost timid, in her tone of voice, in the way she carries herself around him. Makes total sense and all, but it's interesting in light of the way Veronica acted around Duncan. I don't know what I'm trying to say here, but it's just something I noticed while watching this time. You know, back when the show was focusing on character moments, and the different ways they'd act around each other given their situations. :p
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The problem with Duncan's characterization is that we're apparently supposed to buy what we hear from behind the scenes more than we're supposed to understand what we see on-screen. Like KB saying in Austin that there were a lot of things Duncan did for Veronica that we didn't see. As the audience, we can't be expected to infer things that are basically the opposite of what plays out. If Duncan really was a good, caring boyfriend, then show us that, don't fake us out with the "did he or didn't he sleep with Kendall" and don't show him ignoring Veronica, treating her like a dirty secret, etc. Duncan's characterization in season 1 was opaque out of necessity for making his possible role in the rape and/or murder believable, but if he's supposed to be a great boyfriend in season 2, then they have to show us that. We are not mind-readers, we only know what we see on-screen, and Duncan as a choir boy is not one of the things I saw, that's for sure.
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just a thought. otherwise i TOTALLY agree.
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I feel like someone needs to write "five people who aren't the father of Meg's baby", yknow?
Where's Sorcha when you need her? ;-)
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it just seems more likely that this was one big roundabout retconned way to get Duncan off the show while in white knight mode.
So what's one more retcon, right? Just make the baby someone else's and soooo much will be explained.
I have to agree, though, the storyline was poorly planned, written and executed. I'm just trying to find a way to make sense of it so that I won't have to think they suck too much. I want to love VM, I really do! They're just making it very hard for me right now.
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