[Camarilla] The time has come

May 13, 2009 14:55


I have been a part of the local Camarilla since September 2006.  In that time, I have observed the steady, inexorable decline of membership.  Simply uttering the word "Camarilla" is enough to convince the vast majority of local gamers to stay home or find something else to do.

When you really look at it, it's easy to see why.

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crazy_jew_girl May 13 2009, 23:14:07 UTC
I would be much more willing to play again if UnSun wasn't affiliated with the Cam. I have no desire to support the cam in any way, including playing in it's games.

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yokaze May 13 2009, 23:45:51 UTC
Your opinion is extremely common. Personally, I have no problem wit hthe Cam. For the reasons noted above I think it's a really great organization.

However, it is clearly not right for this area and it has driven away 95% of our player base just in the last few years.

Hopefully we will kick the club and you can come back and play again. :)

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the_vern May 14 2009, 00:39:36 UTC
When it comes to visiting other games it comes down to getting what you put into it, if you yourself don't visit other places you won't get visitors. Using the example of the last requiem game i went to in Unsun, nobody showed up except for "out of towners" and a few locals who went and played in the troupe game next door ( ... )

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yokaze May 14 2009, 05:20:27 UTC
"yeah I know how that can feel like that when theres little to no travels showing up but when was the last time the sonoma game traveled and participated in the community"

You are precisely right and this is exactly my point. As a rule, Sonoma gamers don't travel and are utterly uninterested in any game outside Sonoma. This, in turn, causes others not to visit us.

...so why be a part of the Cam?

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demonix99 May 14 2009, 17:27:33 UTC
I find this to be an interesting sentiment coming from a player thats part of the SF game/crowd.

This is primarily a discussion for the Santa Rosa, RP, Cotati crowd.

And frankly doesn't affect you beyond what games you can visit.

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yokaze May 14 2009, 19:23:41 UTC
Now now, everyone's input is welcome. Vern gave a good accounting of how our Domain is seen from the outside, and that is important to the discussion.

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yokaze May 14 2009, 05:21:31 UTC
I promise you that such a game would instantly draw three to five times as many players as the local Cam games do.

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creamer_boy May 14 2009, 05:53:21 UTC
I would be totally down with a non cam Requiem game. Especially if run by you and whatever savvy crew you assembled.

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martinapbalor May 14 2009, 14:12:58 UTC
I agree completely. I support the cam, but obviously it is not cut out for the "members" of this domain. I'm not sure we have the membership to sustain multiple chapters within the domain.

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yokaze May 14 2009, 19:26:51 UTC
Plus, anyone still interested in Camarilla games still has the Myst domain.

Thank you for your input.

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martinapbalor May 14 2009, 20:35:08 UTC
Exactly and that game could use a shot in the arm

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ashtoreth May 15 2009, 00:22:09 UTC
It is the responsibility of the domain staff to not only be the ones who say, "no," but also the ones who say, "Yes! We can do this!" In the last few years of dropping interest, how often has the question been addressed of what is happening, why it's happening, and how to resolve it? I mean, really, honestly?

Moreover, has this question been addressed to anyone who is not on your friendslist, and therefore inclined to agree with you? Have you discussed it with the people who do play in Unconquered Sun because it is the Camarilla? I can think of several people - several people with a vested interest in the domain - who are not on livejournal but would probably like to have a say in what happens perhaps before the saber rattling gets a friendslist quorum into a tizzy ( ... )

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demonix99 May 15 2009, 00:57:11 UTC
I want more than anything than the Camarilla game locally to flourish and thrive. But the national status of the game, combined with the endless addenda and red tape. With the very dimly viewed power scale, even after this current reset, this has crippled the reputation of the Camarilla in Sonoma County.

It is a daunting reality that the Camarilla simply does not have the confidence of the local playerbase. And I frankly can't blame them for taking a dim view of the cam given its most recent directions as a club and within the story chronicle.

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kaoticrequiem May 15 2009, 01:20:48 UTC
"I want more than anything than the Camarilla game locally to flourish and thrive."

Prove it. You started a troupe game to get away from Camarilla bureaucracy. You have actively suggested tearing the local Requiem game from that same organization. These are directly antithetical to your statement here.

"With the very dimly viewed power scale, even after this current reset, this has crippled the reputation of the Camarilla in Sonoma County."

No. What you think has crippled the reputation of the Camarilla (the higher level STs in the orginization) is not only different but unrelated to the reset, which has little to do with respect or reputation.

"It is a daunting reality that the Camarilla simply does not have the confidence of the local playerbase. And I frankly can't blame them for taking a dim view of the cam given its most recent directions as a club and within the story chronicle."

Why not blame them? If you want something to succeed, make it succeed instead of complaining about it on LJ.

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demonix99 May 15 2009, 01:41:17 UTC
I want the game to succeed.

I ran the requiem game for a year.

Frankly, the idea of a global chronicle is aweseome. I've played in it and I would not trade the RP I've had in that organization for anything.

I've done my part to try and make the game a success. I've spent time, money, effort and made sacrifices to try to ensure that success.

I can't blame people who I agree with. I believe that the cam as a greater organism is failing and falling apart. And I'll be sad to see it go. And I'd rather see a local game of 20+ players be awesome than the chapter of a global game sputter and struggle with 6 players on a good night.

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