[Camarilla] The time has come

[yokaze]

I have been a part of the local Camarilla since September 2006.  In that time, I have observed the steady, inexorable decline of membership.  Simply uttering the word "Camarilla" is enough to convince the vast majority of local gamers to stay home or find something else to do.

When you really look at it, it's easy to see why.

The Camarilla is

Comments

[the_vern]

When it comes to visiting other games it comes down to getting what you put into it, if you yourself don't visit other places you won't get visitors. Using the example of the last requiem game i went to in Unsun, nobody showed up except for "out of towners" and a few locals who went and played in the troupe game next door

[yokaze]

"yeah I know how that can feel like that when theres little to no travels showing up but when was the last time the sonoma game traveled and participated in the community"

You are precisely right and this is exactly my point. As a rule, Sonoma gamers don't travel and are utterly uninterested in any game outside Sonoma. This, in turn, causes others not to visit us.

...so why be a part of the Cam?

[demonix99]

I find this to be an interesting sentiment coming from a player thats part of the SF game/crowd.

This is primarily a discussion for the Santa Rosa, RP, Cotati crowd.

And frankly doesn't affect you beyond what games you can visit.

[yokaze]

Now now, everyone's input is welcome. Vern gave a good accounting of how our Domain is seen from the outside, and that is important to the discussion.

[demonix99]

Granted. But I must stress that for Vern to make any argument it should come from the outsider perspective. Given that he is not a member of our domain, he should not make arguments for us to stay as if he is. Its only fair.

[the_vern]

I have a stake in what Unsun does just like any other member of it. I don't play in the requiem games here locally like I used to but I do play Mage. Unsun goes under I loose my ability to play in a Cam Mage game and I have a large investment in that game, the amounts of games I've missed can be count on both hands, and I am very serious about the venue.

[martinapbalor]

Yup

[demonix99]

True but mage is only one of the 3 venues that we have going strong.

The Requiem game is painfully writhing under the boot of the camarilla. The players and the entire chronicle have been disrespected by the higher ST's and the lower echelons have little power to change that. The numbers for it have tanked yet there is still a fervent and very dedicated following. But the question remains, why not make it a troupe game?

[the_vern]

It was my understanding from Rob's post that the entire domain would go troupe not just requiem. If players want to take the game troupe then by all means, I don't have any true investment in the Unsun Requiem game. It would suck that there was one less game to go to in easy driving distence, but if people would have more fun playing troupe then by all means, do what you have fun doing. I just dont want to be discounted when a decision is being made for a venue I do put time and energy into.

I am in the same boat as Roo, I did alot of hard work to promote the local scene for many years and would be sad to see it go away to apathy.

Instead of having it just go away those not interested in the cam should just choose not to participate and not re-up their membership and allow those who do want to continue on to remain as a domain or chapter or what ever is left.

[demonix99]

Mage has never been my concern. Its not my game. I've tried to have fun with it. And it just never resounded in me. I do love changeling. I just wish life would stop screwing me on that end.

What I do love is Vampire. And frankly that game has a gut wound that just won't heal.

It's a very fair assessment to say that I'm really only concerned about the vampire game. Which I love. And I would support this domain tooth and nail if it could prove to me that it could save it. But having been an ST. Having watched what the chronicle and club has been doing with the games, I'm not optimistic.

[ashtoreth]

Really? Does that mean that I should not participate in this discussion? Vern and I have been members of the Unconquered Sun domain since its inception. We have both worked very hard to make it into a great organization, which it once was and is no longer.

[demonix99]

It is not a critique against your ability to voice a valid opinion.
But the game and domains have grown and have been inherited by a new batch of players. Yes you were instrumental in its formation and growth. So you should have a say.

My position is simply that when the ability to play in the sonoma-napa domain is already limited and restricted by OOC concerns, why should their desire to keep it a Camarilla game hold as much weight than those able to play regularly and are not satisfied with how the Camarilla has treated the chronicle and us as players as a result?

[ashtoreth]

Given that they may be the ones who are the champions of the game?

It works like this: Out-of-towners come in and see that you work hard to make your game awesome. They go to their domains and say, "Wow! We had such a great time in Sonoma, that we're going to organize a monthly field trip to play with them!" They do this, and one game a month becomes a really good game with a lot of players, some of whom are from out of town - but you know what, that's okay. That's what the cam is supposed to do. So, yes. You should absolutely pay attention to what people who belong to other domains have to say. Sometimes, the outside perspective is the most objective.

[martinapbalor]

Thank you.