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Out of line? Maybe...

Oct 25, 2005 02:35

I'm curious, not on what the 'vegan' response is, but on each individuals perception of the acceptability of abortion as I feel this and veganism would be closely intertwined? I probably won't respond to any responses, as debates like these tend to get heated, I'm just curious what the majority of vegans here believe in relation to this matter ( Read more... )

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quatre_vingts October 25 2005, 00:59:38 UTC

Most people will argue that abortion is not really a vegan issue. A fetus is not a sentient, independently living, breathing being. Even if it's aborted, it will never go through the prolonged agony, misery, torture, and suffering that any factory-farmed animal goes through ( ... )

getsettojet October 25 2005, 01:06:29 UTC

i'm confused if you are angry at me or your friend, if its me i'm even more curious as to what I possibly could have done to upset you...

quatre_vingts October 25 2005, 01:09:22 UTC

Haha, oh man, I'm sorry. I didn't realize it could come across like that. No,
"you" is my "friend" who jumped on me about the chicken thing, not you personally; when I relate stories and get to explaining how I felt towards the other party, I use "you" a lot. Got a little carried away with my wank. :P

getsettojet October 25 2005, 02:00:18 UTC

haha, its quite alright. It's so hard to communicate on the internet sometimes.

;) weeona October 25 2005, 01:14:12 UTC

Pretty sure she's mad at her "friend" and that was a "talking out loud, venting, directed at no one here" type response. I wouldn't worry. ;)

As for me, I'm pro-choice. I (*think* I) wouldn't do it after a certain point due to the sentience issue but I'm totally okay with it up until then. Even after the point where my "well, the fetus can feel pain... and I don't eat animals because they feel pain and I respect that and refuse to let them be expendible commodities... mehhhhhh" waverings start kicking in I still respect others rights to their own decisions. So, pro-choice.

Leona

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... foreverquatre October 25 2005, 18:56:34 UTC

Isn't that basically the information you find from those adamantly anti-abortion sites? Sure a fetus may be able to move around some, but to say it's 'kicking and screaming silently'? That just sounds like anti-abortion rhetoric trying to make abortion out to be the same as killing a child. And a lot of human cells and tissue are cut up while still alive. It doesn't mean that they can feel pain or understand what's going on the way we can or the way an animal could. A fetus isn't going to be able to respond to its environment or stimuli until it's close to actually being a baby.

Re: ... getsettojet October 25 2005, 19:19:32 UTC

I believe he is referring mainly to partial birth or late term abortions. I'm not going to ad this to the debate at this period, but a baby that is say, 6.5 months old would be able to survive if it was born, so does that change the perspective on the abortion?
Also, be careful in saying the baby won't be able to feel pain, unless you have a scientific source that points to the period in time when a baby begins to feel pain.

Re: ... foreverquatre October 25 2005, 23:40:27 UTC

I didn't say that babies don't feel pain. I meant an embryo or fetus that is still developing ( ... )

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