In Defense of Matthew

Nov 15, 2011 11:02

So much backlash against Matthew.  He's my favorite character, dear, sweet Matthew. Many think he's changed a great deal in S2.  Thanks to the war, that's inevitable.  Unfortunately, as eolivet has pointed out, JF decided to not attempt to flesh out Matthew's character in any great detail, just rendering a few war scenes here and there, and showing him ( Read more... )

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eolivet November 15 2011, 21:13:59 UTC
Great analysis -- I agree with most of it, hee! :p

That conversation is odd, as it seems to indicate Matthew knows she loves him. I think it just indicates he knows she doesn't love Carlisle.

Oh, I don't think it appears that he knows she loves him (if it did, Violet's words wouldn't be such a shock). I think he thinks it's pity -- that for whatever reason, she'd offer to give up her life to take care of him, knowing he won't accept it. He doesn't know she doesn't love Carlisle. He doesn't want to stand in the way of her happiness. It's so desperately sad, because Mary comes the closest she may have come all season to blurting out her feelings, and Matthew sadly misinterprets what she's saying. I honestly don't know what she means in that moment, but it's pretty damn close to "Please don't make me marry him -- I want to be with you." But she's given him no reason to think that's exactly what it is. :(

something tells me he believes Mary felt she HAD to nurse him, out of a duty to her family and him. Lavinia returned out of love ( ... )

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We are on the same page you and I tripp3235 November 15 2011, 21:26:20 UTC
Oh, I don't think it appears that he knows she loves him (if it did, Violet's words wouldn't be such a shock). I think he thinks it's pity --

I was just commenting on what many people thought, he must be discussing Mary's love for him and I disagree. I also agree with you he's worried there is pity there, though I would be surprised if he thought Mary would allow pity for another to control her life like that.

I disagree with this, to a point -- I think there is no way he could've possibly been able to process why Mary did what she did. He was drugged up, as you say, and in a lot of pain and his memory probably isn't very good. He leaned on Mary, and Mary allowed herself to be leaned on. That spoke volumes about the implicit trust he had in her -- that he needed her, that she was there, that he didn't have to ask.I think this is a possibility too. It's quite possible he doesn't remember Mary being around him when he was so incapacitated. But just in case he does remember, he probably thinks it was more out of a sense of duty to ( ... )

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lovexwentxred November 16 2011, 04:18:33 UTC
IDK, I think it's really been ignored, the idea that Matthew was a trauma victim -- and trauma victims aren't easily able to speak about their trauma.

I just had to add a resounding YES to this. I think this point is one of the things I have consistently noticed being neglected in arguments against Matthew and it's really frustrating because I feel like it should be pretty obvious to everyone. They don't put into perspective what has happened to him. This is not a wound that will heal. This is permanent. They forget the fact that what happened to him is not small, it's HUGE; and it's huge not only physically but emotionally and mentally as well. EVERYTHING about his world has changed, and this wasn't even some accident, it was the result of war. Compound that to the trauma that comes with the injury itself and it's pretty much one of the worst situations possible. I think it hearkens back to that scene Matthew had with Robert. After Robert asks him what the front is like his countenance automatically changes to this haunted ( ... )

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eolivet November 16 2011, 04:44:25 UTC
This is probably EXACTLY the thing he prayed for, and he got the furthest thing from it. Not only does he suffer, his life is completely different, and in the immediate aftermath it's a life that is only half a life.

Oh, ABSOLUTELY -- I think that those lines in 2x02 were VERY deliberate. JF might as well have been saying: "Heads up! That's going to happen to you, Matthew!" Because I actually think (and posted about, way back in the day) there was a very strong indication throughout 2x01 that Matthew really just...thought he was going to die on the front. That it's why he got engaged -- so that would be settled, in case he lived -- and brought Lavinia to Downton so she'd have support if he didn't come back. It's why he was desperate to be friends again with Mary, and kept repeating it ad nauseum, IMO. It's why he went to church before he went to the train station. I really don't think he expects to live -- hence the "bullet that kills them cleanly" remark in 2x02, and the utter TERROR he feels about the hospital then as well.

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lovexwentxred November 19 2011, 00:14:02 UTC
I apologize for the late reply but I basically should just say, YES! to everything anyway. xD ITA about the distinction between Mary and Lavinia as well. I LOVE THAT. Matthew trusts/loves Mary on a level that I don't think he'll ever find with anyone else, and vise versa.

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teddy_tips December 12 2011, 04:45:10 UTC
Bahahaha! I wish that WAS the line Matthew came out with at dinner!

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