Pandora Hearts Retrace LXI Discussion

[total_alias]

It's that time again guys! Let's discuss!

This chapter broke my heart, but what else is new?

Gah, every time we get a chapter that focuses on Vincent I end up loving him even more. Even when he's doing bad things! I can't help it. *hangs head in shame*

Comments

[gommyommy]

Zwei looks pretty annoyed that she's stuck doing Vincent's dirty work again, which he gets to hang out with pretty Leo and slash the curtains

[total_alias]

Oh you know what, I think it was. I remember your reasoning. Well, the Alice theory makes a lot of sense now.

Pfft, go away, genius. We don't need 99% accuracy fortune tellers who predict the whole series around here ):<

I thought Vincent had simply told Leo what he had been thinking at the time, which made the poor dear think about Elliot. I think he was just covering his mouth in his guilt/pain/suffering, similar to the way Gil did in chapter 22

[gommyommy]

Ah well so many of my predictions in the series have turned out wrong, I just figured I could gloat a little when some of 'em actually turn out right for a change :)

Yes, I think it's likely that Vincent was thinking those thoughts with Duke Nightray, but actually voiced them to Leo. Kind of like how you are telling a story to someone about something that happened, and then you tell them what you were thinking, but didn't actually voice when the story originally happened.

Yeah, it's likely that Leo was covering his mouth in horror/suffering, but the cough thing threw me off. I immediately thought of Break, and wondered if Leo is harboring an chain contract of his own.

[total_alias]

Woah! You're up late! ;D
Ah well. Gloat all you want. I did the same thing later in the post! XD

Though, when I linked chapter 22 to you, I noticed the similarity in those images. Both were brought about by memory of the person they love most (<3), as well as extreme guilt for causing the incident. More Gil/Leo parallels.

Ooh, Break. I didn't think about that at all. What if Leo is contracted to a strength-zapping chain? Oh but Break's coughs were hacking, and would only occur after or during the use of Mad Hatter. We would know if Leo had been using his chain just then... probably. He was at a research facility for chains, after all... >_>

[gommyommy]

Yeah I think you're right...he may have been thinking the thought with Duke Nightray, but actually said it aloud to Leo.

Hey again! =)

[cuchuna92]

I love Vincent too, he has been always trying to protec is little bro :D

And with the connection you say abuot pag 44 and the third panel of chapter 35, to me it seems that Gil is being devoted to the encarnation of Jack (like the old times) and Vincent to Glen's ;) but for diferent motive now :D

And When Vincent think "They relly look like..." ...Glen, I guess cause Glen had purple eyes :P

Was nice to read your brilliant disscusion I enjoy it!

Sayonara! =D

Re: Hey again! =)

[total_alias]

I know! How can you hate someone with intentions like his? <3

WOOOOAAAAHHHH! AWESOME!!!! I TOTALLY DID NOT GET THAT! YOUR'E AMAZING FOR SEEING THAT! TOO COOL! *dorks*

Thanks! :D

[lishypo]

"They really look like..." Alice? Looks just like Alice to me.

[total_alias]

I guess that would be a bad thing for Vince then, seeing as he hated her.

[lishypo]

I guess so. But I suppose looking like Alice takes a backseat to being Glen incarnate. Definitely no doubt left that he and Alice were related, but now to wonder why he kept her locked up, how she/Alyss came to exist, and who was Lacie? Leo looks so much like Alice, it almost makes me wonder if Alice was Glen's twin, or at least a sibling, as opposed to father. Or if Glen's connection to the Abyss is even greater than we can imagine.

[pandorawho]

In issue 58, didn't Ernest say that they tried to poison Gilbert in order to gain time and behead him? And in issue 45 they showed that the same scene with Gilbert and the dead body. I think Vince was referring to that scene, not the poison.
Also, Leo resembles Alice a lot in the last page O_O I'm wondering if Glen is Alice's father.......

[total_alias]

I chapter 58 Ernest only said that their attempt to kill GIlbert failed. As of right now, we have no idea what Vince is referring to... And what "scene" were you referring to, exactly?

Both this chapter and chapter 45 show this scene next to the mention of Gil being poisoned.. The fact that it showed up twice tells us nothing because nothing is different. So I assume that Sensei will be doing more with this in the chapters to come.

As for Glen possibly being Alice's father... I've been thinking that since the beginning! :D

[pandorawho]

In ch 58 p 25 he says 'I thought a fast acting poison would give us enough time to behead him'
The other scene i was referring to with Gil and the dead body was in issue 45 p 33.

Agreed, this definitely will need some exploring.

Sorry I was unclear ^^;

[total_alias]

Shoot! I was supposed to check chapter 58 before I posted that comment but I totally forgot! ^^'

I had seen the scene in chapter 45 though, and I still think that nothing new has been learned. Buut, the fact that Gil was an intended victim of Claude and Ernest could explain why Vince looked so protective and hurt in chapter 45. Possibly in this chapter he was referring to a totally different attack? And he just hasn't told us what it was yet. After all, he had no problem telling Ada that Gil had been poisoned, but when he told Leo, he said that he attacked Gil.