Scully acts like he believes things, concocts strange theories, just to bother her. Like his mind does go to the “simplest” explanation first, but he rejects it in favor of a crazy one, just to give her a hard time. [...] And Mulder completely minimizes her contribution, acting as though his initial theory is always proven perfect and right, and that the science and “logical” theories she injects into their investigations don’t have any effect at all. I think these two bits are ultimately why Mulder's line doesn't bother me, at least not any more than Scully's does, you know? They're both being unreasonable, stiff and not a little bit unkind to each other in this scene, and all things considered, it does make sense that they'd reach a point like this in the work. I feel like there's so much, big and small, that's been leading up to this conversation.
“Sounds like crap when you say it.”This line both makes me laugh and makes my heart hurt a little, because at this point, I really do think Mulder only value's Scully's opinion of what
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I think these two bits are ultimately why Mulder's line doesn't bother me, at least not any more than Scully's does, you know? They're both being unreasonable, stiff and not a little bit unkind to each other in this scene, and all things considered, it does make sense that they'd reach a point like this in the work. I feel like there's so much, big and small, that's been leading up to this conversation. Oh, absolutely. I think his point sort of sounds harsher, but they both have unreasonable expectations. They're both stubborn, they both want to be right, and they're being unyielding. At this moment, they can't admit, or even recognize, the fact that agreeing with each other all the time would be horrible and they'd get nowhere.
Which I love! UGH, this episode. I say it every time I talk about it, but I adore that it uses the actual structure of four act television against the viewer, and I'm sure you know what I mean by that. It makes it all the more deliciously meta!And it's meta without being overly cute about it, meta without
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At this moment, they can't admit, or even recognize, the fact that agreeing with each other all the time would be horrible and they'd get nowhere. Yep, which is probably what makes the whole thing so amazing. The plot, the crazy-assed plot, gets them there! Oh, X-Files.
Do people dislike it? I suppose, like anything, it depends on who you ask, but I think I've run into more fans who dislike it than like it. I personally love it, particularly the scientific angle. It brings to light some really fascinating theories, at least for me. (Also, I'm one of the 3 people out there who doesn't hate Fowley, lol. So I imagine that helps a bit.)
I kind of believe that they might have doomed themselves had they tried to start a relationship before Mulder had gotten all of that out of his system.Oh, definitely. I feel like there were definitely opportunities for them to finally get their shit together, so to speak, throughout the course of the show, but when we actually got it really was the prime time. They both needed to be in the right place,
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(Also, I'm one of the 3 people out there who doesn't hate Fowley, lol. So I imagine that helps a bit.) I dearly, dearly wish I could be mature and thoughtful, because I know that there are interesting things to be said about her character, but...I just can't! She makes me crazy! I've never grown out of my 17-year-old girl feelings about her, and seeing her on the screen makes me feel all punchy. I honestly think it's a weird fictional version of hating someone on behalf of your friend.
but when we actually got it really was the prime time. They both needed to be in the right place, first, particularly Mulder, given that his quest is at the center of what drives the narrative, at least most of the time. It's kind of weird, but when I think about it, I get the feeling that it wasn't the right time because the writers decided it was the right time and wrote it that way, it was actually the "real" right time for them. THAT SOUNDS INSANE. But as long as I know it sounds insane, that's half the battle.
I totally don't blame you, believe me! Again, I'm one of probably three people across the entire fandom who doesn't hate her, so you are decidedly not at all alone, lol! Plus, I had similar feelings to yours the first time around, that somehow... softened with time and rewatching (and I really didn't expect them to, actually, so I'm as surprised as anyone).
That does not sound insane! That sounds like... well, Mulder and Scully, and their vast... THEMness that makes sense in your head but is exceedingly difficult to describe without sounding a little wacky! I think that must be a shared problem, for all of us, lol. And yeah, if you ask the writers, they say that they only "decided it was time" to show that they were hooking up as late as "all things", and that doesn't even imply it was the first time. They just seemed to sort of let things be as they were in S7, thank goodness.
But I do see Mulder, with that innate need for validation and affection, sort of finding that attractive about Fowley, the fact that she believes. Because
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Plus, I had similar feelings to yours the first time around, that somehow... softened with time and rewatching (and I really didn't expect them to, actually, so I'm as surprised as anyone). See, I'd hoped that I'd soften on her and on Doggett when I did my rewatch, but...I didn't!
And yeah, if you ask the writers, they say that they only "decided it was time" to show that they were hooking up as late as "all things", and that doesn't even imply it was the first time. They just seemed to sort of let things be as they were in S7, thank goodness. Apart from my personal feelings about when they started doing it (oh, that sounds so crass! sorry, you guys, I know what you have is very meaningful and deep!), I think that just the fact that it's been said that they decided to show that they were together then makes it fairly clear that it wasn't the first time. I know there are people who think all things was the first time, but...I have trouble watching the rest of S7 and believing that they're not already together! Still, I will always
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See, I'd hoped that I'd soften on her and on Doggett when I did my rewatch, but...I didn't! I think I actually softened on Doggett, too! I mean, as long as I ignore certain things, like "dollahs to donuts," creepy hospital lurking, and the obvious pushing of the writers behind him. ...It's possibly easier than it sounds, lol. Somehow. Other times, not. Doggett depends much more on my mood, I think.
I think that just the fact that it's been said that they decided to show that they were together then makes it fairly clear that it wasn't the first time. Totally agreed. And I never believed "all things" to be the first time either, not even the first time I saw it (when I was completely uninvolved in fandom and had hardly any insight into behind the scenes info). S7 is just too damn flirty for it to start so late!
I will always sort of love the fact that they weren't blatant about it, that there wasn't a "Mulder and Scully hook up!" episode. They're intensely private characters, so I like that the show somehow weirdly respects that.
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I think these two bits are ultimately why Mulder's line doesn't bother me, at least not any more than Scully's does, you know? They're both being unreasonable, stiff and not a little bit unkind to each other in this scene, and all things considered, it does make sense that they'd reach a point like this in the work. I feel like there's so much, big and small, that's been leading up to this conversation.
“Sounds like crap when you say it.”This line both makes me laugh and makes my heart hurt a little, because at this point, I really do think Mulder only value's Scully's opinion of what ( ... )
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Oh, absolutely. I think his point sort of sounds harsher, but they both have unreasonable expectations. They're both stubborn, they both want to be right, and they're being unyielding. At this moment, they can't admit, or even recognize, the fact that agreeing with each other all the time would be horrible and they'd get nowhere.
Which I love! UGH, this episode. I say it every time I talk about it, but I adore that it uses the actual structure of four act television against the viewer, and I'm sure you know what I mean by that. It makes it all the more deliciously meta!And it's meta without being overly cute about it, meta without ( ... )
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Yep, which is probably what makes the whole thing so amazing. The plot, the crazy-assed plot, gets them there! Oh, X-Files.
Do people dislike it?
I suppose, like anything, it depends on who you ask, but I think I've run into more fans who dislike it than like it. I personally love it, particularly the scientific angle. It brings to light some really fascinating theories, at least for me. (Also, I'm one of the 3 people out there who doesn't hate Fowley, lol. So I imagine that helps a bit.)
I kind of believe that they might have doomed themselves had they tried to start a relationship before Mulder had gotten all of that out of his system.Oh, definitely. I feel like there were definitely opportunities for them to finally get their shit together, so to speak, throughout the course of the show, but when we actually got it really was the prime time. They both needed to be in the right place, ( ... )
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I dearly, dearly wish I could be mature and thoughtful, because I know that there are interesting things to be said about her character, but...I just can't! She makes me crazy! I've never grown out of my 17-year-old girl feelings about her, and seeing her on the screen makes me feel all punchy. I honestly think it's a weird fictional version of hating someone on behalf of your friend.
but when we actually got it really was the prime time. They both needed to be in the right place, first, particularly Mulder, given that his quest is at the center of what drives the narrative, at least most of the time.
It's kind of weird, but when I think about it, I get the feeling that it wasn't the right time because the writers decided it was the right time and wrote it that way, it was actually the "real" right time for them. THAT SOUNDS INSANE. But as long as I know it sounds insane, that's half the battle.
Plus, I don't see Fowley as quite so ( ... )
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That does not sound insane! That sounds like... well, Mulder and Scully, and their vast... THEMness that makes sense in your head but is exceedingly difficult to describe without sounding a little wacky! I think that must be a shared problem, for all of us, lol. And yeah, if you ask the writers, they say that they only "decided it was time" to show that they were hooking up as late as "all things", and that doesn't even imply it was the first time. They just seemed to sort of let things be as they were in S7, thank goodness.
But I do see Mulder, with that innate need for validation and affection, sort of finding that attractive about Fowley, the fact that she believes. Because ( ... )
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See, I'd hoped that I'd soften on her and on Doggett when I did my rewatch, but...I didn't!
And yeah, if you ask the writers, they say that they only "decided it was time" to show that they were hooking up as late as "all things", and that doesn't even imply it was the first time. They just seemed to sort of let things be as they were in S7, thank goodness.
Apart from my personal feelings about when they started doing it (oh, that sounds so crass! sorry, you guys, I know what you have is very meaningful and deep!), I think that just the fact that it's been said that they decided to show that they were together then makes it fairly clear that it wasn't the first time. I know there are people who think all things was the first time, but...I have trouble watching the rest of S7 and believing that they're not already together! Still, I will always ( ... )
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I think I actually softened on Doggett, too! I mean, as long as I ignore certain things, like "dollahs to donuts," creepy hospital lurking, and the obvious pushing of the writers behind him. ...It's possibly easier than it sounds, lol. Somehow. Other times, not. Doggett depends much more on my mood, I think.
I think that just the fact that it's been said that they decided to show that they were together then makes it fairly clear that it wasn't the first time.
Totally agreed. And I never believed "all things" to be the first time either, not even the first time I saw it (when I was completely uninvolved in fandom and had hardly any insight into behind the scenes info). S7 is just too damn flirty for it to start so late!
I will always sort of love the fact that they weren't blatant about it, that there wasn't a "Mulder and Scully hook up!" episode. They're intensely private characters, so I like that the show somehow weirdly respects that. ( ... )
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