I totally don't blame you, believe me! Again, I'm one of probably three people across the entire fandom who doesn't hate her, so you are decidedly not at all alone, lol! Plus, I had similar feelings to yours the first time around, that somehow... softened with time and rewatching (and I really didn't expect them to, actually, so I'm as surprised as anyone).
That does not sound insane! That sounds like... well, Mulder and Scully, and their vast... THEMness that makes sense in your head but is exceedingly difficult to describe without sounding a little wacky! I think that must be a shared problem, for all of us, lol. And yeah, if you ask the writers, they say that they only "decided it was time" to show that they were hooking up as late as "all things", and that doesn't even imply it was the first time. They just seemed to sort of let things be as they were in S7, thank goodness.
But I do see Mulder, with that innate need for validation and affection, sort of finding that attractive about Fowley, the fact that she believes. Because at the time, that was probably VERY powerful for him, sort of...being on a team. Now, we know what he actually needed, because we see it in his partnership with Scully, but for the younger-Mulder in my head, finally finding someone who not only doesn't think he's crazy, but agrees, and backs him up? That's big stuff. I could have totally said all of that, brain twin! In short, I agree completely, which is why the Fowley thing makes sense to me, and why I think it was sort of the kick in the ass they BOTH needed to get anything going in a remotely forward manner that wasn't tortoise-paced as they'd been going. Well, not AS tortoise-paced.
It made me terribly sad to see him walking into the light, and waxing poetic about his abduction. It is incredibly sad imagery in retrospect, isn't it? Which is really a bummer, because I remember how magical it was seeing Field Trip for the first time. Now I can't help but see it as just that little bit tainted. Sigh.
(Also, I did see Breaking Bad last night - Phil was right, omg! It was SO GOOD - but there are NO torrents anywhere, and I'm freaking a little! Come on, Internets!)
Plus, I had similar feelings to yours the first time around, that somehow... softened with time and rewatching (and I really didn't expect them to, actually, so I'm as surprised as anyone). See, I'd hoped that I'd soften on her and on Doggett when I did my rewatch, but...I didn't!
And yeah, if you ask the writers, they say that they only "decided it was time" to show that they were hooking up as late as "all things", and that doesn't even imply it was the first time. They just seemed to sort of let things be as they were in S7, thank goodness. Apart from my personal feelings about when they started doing it (oh, that sounds so crass! sorry, you guys, I know what you have is very meaningful and deep!), I think that just the fact that it's been said that they decided to show that they were together then makes it fairly clear that it wasn't the first time. I know there are people who think all things was the first time, but...I have trouble watching the rest of S7 and believing that they're not already together! Still, I will always sort of love the fact that they weren't blatant about it, that there wasn't a "Mulder and Scully hook up!" episode. They're intensely private characters, so I like that the show somehow weirdly respects that.
See, I'd hoped that I'd soften on her and on Doggett when I did my rewatch, but...I didn't! I think I actually softened on Doggett, too! I mean, as long as I ignore certain things, like "dollahs to donuts," creepy hospital lurking, and the obvious pushing of the writers behind him. ...It's possibly easier than it sounds, lol. Somehow. Other times, not. Doggett depends much more on my mood, I think.
I think that just the fact that it's been said that they decided to show that they were together then makes it fairly clear that it wasn't the first time. Totally agreed. And I never believed "all things" to be the first time either, not even the first time I saw it (when I was completely uninvolved in fandom and had hardly any insight into behind the scenes info). S7 is just too damn flirty for it to start so late!
I will always sort of love the fact that they weren't blatant about it, that there wasn't a "Mulder and Scully hook up!" episode. They're intensely private characters, so I like that the show somehow weirdly respects that. Again, agreed. I see people saying things often along the lines of "Why couldn't they have shown when Mulder and Scully hooked up?" (In fact, it seems to be one of the most common outcries of the casual fan who had a shipping angle to their viewing, based on many articles from years ago, as well as today.) And I just feel like saying... I get why you wanted it, but... would you really have been satisfied by anything they could possibly have shown us? I sincerely doubt most people would've been happy with it, whatever it might have been.
This is, again, why I'm kind of hoping Frank forgets he promised to set down a Per Manum (and possibly even a first time!) timeline, because... (a) I prefer speculating myself, because it's always more fun that way, and (b) I have a feeling those answers are going to please no one, no matter what they might think now. Am I crazy for feeling this way? I guess I'm just weirdly protective of allowance for the creation of some personal canon too, given how fluid and cranky the 1013 canon can be.
That does not sound insane! That sounds like... well, Mulder and Scully, and their vast... THEMness that makes sense in your head but is exceedingly difficult to describe without sounding a little wacky! I think that must be a shared problem, for all of us, lol. And yeah, if you ask the writers, they say that they only "decided it was time" to show that they were hooking up as late as "all things", and that doesn't even imply it was the first time. They just seemed to sort of let things be as they were in S7, thank goodness.
But I do see Mulder, with that innate need for validation and affection, sort of finding that attractive about Fowley, the fact that she believes. Because at the time, that was probably VERY powerful for him, sort of...being on a team. Now, we know what he actually needed, because we see it in his partnership with Scully, but for the younger-Mulder in my head, finally finding someone who not only doesn't think he's crazy, but agrees, and backs him up? That's big stuff.
I could have totally said all of that, brain twin! In short, I agree completely, which is why the Fowley thing makes sense to me, and why I think it was sort of the kick in the ass they BOTH needed to get anything going in a remotely forward manner that wasn't tortoise-paced as they'd been going. Well, not AS tortoise-paced.
It made me terribly sad to see him walking into the light, and waxing poetic about his abduction.
It is incredibly sad imagery in retrospect, isn't it? Which is really a bummer, because I remember how magical it was seeing Field Trip for the first time. Now I can't help but see it as just that little bit tainted. Sigh.
(Also, I did see Breaking Bad last night - Phil was right, omg! It was SO GOOD - but there are NO torrents anywhere, and I'm freaking a little! Come on, Internets!)
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See, I'd hoped that I'd soften on her and on Doggett when I did my rewatch, but...I didn't!
And yeah, if you ask the writers, they say that they only "decided it was time" to show that they were hooking up as late as "all things", and that doesn't even imply it was the first time. They just seemed to sort of let things be as they were in S7, thank goodness.
Apart from my personal feelings about when they started doing it (oh, that sounds so crass! sorry, you guys, I know what you have is very meaningful and deep!), I think that just the fact that it's been said that they decided to show that they were together then makes it fairly clear that it wasn't the first time. I know there are people who think all things was the first time, but...I have trouble watching the rest of S7 and believing that they're not already together! Still, I will always sort of love the fact that they weren't blatant about it, that there wasn't a "Mulder and Scully hook up!" episode. They're intensely private characters, so I like that the show somehow weirdly respects that.
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I think I actually softened on Doggett, too! I mean, as long as I ignore certain things, like "dollahs to donuts," creepy hospital lurking, and the obvious pushing of the writers behind him. ...It's possibly easier than it sounds, lol. Somehow. Other times, not. Doggett depends much more on my mood, I think.
I think that just the fact that it's been said that they decided to show that they were together then makes it fairly clear that it wasn't the first time.
Totally agreed. And I never believed "all things" to be the first time either, not even the first time I saw it (when I was completely uninvolved in fandom and had hardly any insight into behind the scenes info). S7 is just too damn flirty for it to start so late!
I will always sort of love the fact that they weren't blatant about it, that there wasn't a "Mulder and Scully hook up!" episode. They're intensely private characters, so I like that the show somehow weirdly respects that.
Again, agreed. I see people saying things often along the lines of "Why couldn't they have shown when Mulder and Scully hooked up?" (In fact, it seems to be one of the most common outcries of the casual fan who had a shipping angle to their viewing, based on many articles from years ago, as well as today.) And I just feel like saying... I get why you wanted it, but... would you really have been satisfied by anything they could possibly have shown us? I sincerely doubt most people would've been happy with it, whatever it might have been.
This is, again, why I'm kind of hoping Frank forgets he promised to set down a Per Manum (and possibly even a first time!) timeline, because... (a) I prefer speculating myself, because it's always more fun that way, and (b) I have a feeling those answers are going to please no one, no matter what they might think now. Am I crazy for feeling this way? I guess I'm just weirdly protective of allowance for the creation of some personal canon too, given how fluid and cranky the 1013 canon can be.
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