First off, I sincerely apologize for not giving a real update for sooooo long. Things have gotten kinda crazy over here, so I've been too busy to actually sit down and update this thing
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The War Continues...?grymeiApril 12 2005, 21:26:14 UTC
Speaking as a committee member I thought it might be appropriate to remind you that if our efforts had been to disenfranchise all the "greens", we never would have approved 80% of all appeals yesterday. This is not about disenfranchisement, and if you’re still unclear about that feel free to contact elections.committee@gmail.com.
Re: The War Continues...?tbone_spartacusApril 13 2005, 15:15:28 UTC
you know the whole reason why you guys started this thing was because you were afraid that the greens would try to "take over the dems" when in actuality, we wanted to just do our own thing and hopefully have a working relationship with the dems. But, since the exec board was so afraid of losing their control over the organization, they decided to pass that bylaw under everyone's noses to take away the rights of it's members that might not vote in their favor. and now, you guys have caused a shitstorm because you pissed people off. None of this would've happened if you guys would've just left things alone, but unfortunately power makes people do stupid things.
To tell you the truth David, I never thought you'd turn into one of them. And it sucks that you were put in a hard position, but you could've changed things and you didn't. You did this to people who considered you a good friend. I'm sorry, but you turned into a suit.
the fact that you are even making people appeal to "prove their loyalty" to the dems is bullshit. Hmmmm...a loyalty oath...sounds a bit like something a Republican would do, doesn't it? and furthermore, so what if 80% of the appeals were approved? You still disenfranchised members who worked their ass off for the Democrats and still plan to support democrats in the future. You guys are pushing away people that are trying to help you guys. I really hope that if and when you're a politician one day, you don't try to pull this kind of shit on anyone else, because it will come back to you ten fold.
oh yeah, and if YOU are unclear about anything that I'VE said, feel free to contact me by coming up to me and saying it to my face.
Re: one more thing...fearthecow2003April 13 2005, 19:54:56 UTC
Ok, so a party having a fear of another party coming in and trying to take over isn’t a legitimate fear? After all, its not like continuing to spread the Democratic ideology in the Democratic Party is important, is it? And its not like you guys were continuing to come to disrupt meetings, flicking us off, attacking us in posters, or attacking us on a personal level. After all, we are all trying to JUST retain power and keep control of the organization. So, we let all those people we just “pissed off” become members of the organization and gave them the right to vote…. huh, that’s interesting, I really think we are doing a GREAT job at that whole taking over plan. After all, conspiring has always been my goal (I hope you note the sarcasm
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Re: interesting...fearthecow2003April 14 2005, 01:56:12 UTC
Listen meg, I am more than willing to sit down with you and discuss this in a civil manner. I want to move forward from now on. Nothing can be solved from this constant circular argument that just continues to get heated. Although I am not sure that certain connections can be made again I think something that we have both stood for, and still stand for, is honesty and whatever you may feel I promise that I have remained honest with you.
This isnt me reaching out to a side, this is me reaching out to you as an individual.
Re: interesting...tbone_spartacusApril 14 2005, 20:31:15 UTC
I respect that. Thank you.
but that still doesn't change the fact that I'm pissed about this whole thing. If you'd like to talk to me about it, that's cool. You know I'm always around. But to tell ya the truth, I'm kinda sick of having to put up with all of this and I'm not going to go out of my way to fix people's problems.
Re: interesting...fearthecow2003April 14 2005, 22:05:23 UTC
Oh, I don't want to fix it. I think we are all pretty much beyond that. I do atleast want to get my side out, and hear the other side logically. That way we can all start just working on the real battle.
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To tell you the truth David, I never thought you'd turn into one of them. And it sucks that you were put in a hard position, but you could've changed things and you didn't. You did this to people who considered you a good friend. I'm sorry, but you turned into a suit.
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oh yeah, and if YOU are unclear about anything that I'VE said, feel free to contact me by coming up to me and saying it to my face.
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This isnt me reaching out to a side, this is me reaching out to you as an individual.
So feel free to call me, you have my number.
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but that still doesn't change the fact that I'm pissed about this whole thing. If you'd like to talk to me about it, that's cool. You know I'm always around. But to tell ya the truth, I'm kinda sick of having to put up with all of this and I'm not going to go out of my way to fix people's problems.
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After that I am moving on
Peace
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