First off, I sincerely apologize for not giving a real update for sooooo long. Things have gotten kinda crazy over here, so I've been too busy to actually sit down and update this thing
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1.)we never wanted to "take over" anything. hence why we started another organization on campus.
2.) The dems will never win elections without the help of the hardcore liberals on the left. The dems have tried so hard to get the moderate vote while pushing away their base. by having democrats working with the greens, our goal is to unify the two parties on "our side" of the fence so that we can finally win elections.
3.) I never came to a meeting for the purpose of being disruptive. When other greens had left the meeting, did you even notice that I was still there?...guess not. AND I never flicked anyone off. AND everything on that flyer was true. The Dems have turned yellow. I'm a democrat and I'm willing to admit it. Even David and Nicole acknowledged that during my appeals meeting. AND when did I ever attack you on a personal level? I actually thought we understood eachother for a while there until I realized that it was all for show and that you passed the bylaw to take away our voting rights behind everyone's backs. I can't believe you came over and talked about wanting everyone to get along and be friends, then you go and pull shit like that.
4.) "we let all those people we just “pissed off” become members of the organization and gave them the right to vote" Those people should never have had their "membership" in the organization questioned in the first place. You know how hard all of us have worked this past year together and you know that we are still democrats. But you use the current situation as an excuse to be able to get rid of us and, like you said, "trying to JUST retain power and keep control of the organization"....yeah, within YOUR control.
5.) I AM NOT SEAN. if you have a problem with him, don't bring it to me.
6.) "Your rash ability to lump us into “them” shows that there is no logical solution or way to talk to you guys." YOU GUYS DO THE SAME THING. You all lump us into "Sean's side" all of the damn time, don't give me that shit.
7.) "Keep on fighting your Alpha Male battle guys. It’s a great hobby" I don't know if you've realized this or not, but most of "us" really couldn't give a shit about you guys anymore. It's apparent that working with you guys is not an option for the future and your attempts to push "us" away will just end up hurting you guys in the end since we're trying to help you guys get the liberals to vote democrat again.
8.) Everything is turning personal now. You commenting on MY journal is making it personal.
9.) The shirt was already up on the wall when I came over. Yeah, I added 2 comments on it. one was "Exclusion does not win elections" and as far as I know, that's true. and the other one was pretty clear "Fuck you guys" After all of this, I doubt that needs an explanation.
10.) to tell ya the truth, I've had YOUR back in a lot of fights between people. I got shit for voting for you when you were running against Kyle for president. I voted against a closer friendship because I thought you were better for the position. I've always voted that way, and I always will. I probably would've voted for you again if it wasn't for all of this. Also, people were trying to make it so that you couldn't run because you were not a citizen, and I had your back on that too. I knew even though you are not a registered democrat because you couldn't be, you still were putting in all of the hours right beside us working for the same goal. Sure I got shit for it, but it was the right thing to do. I've always tried to be honest with you about things, you know that. Whenever I had a problem or heard rumors, I always went to you first. It would've been nice to have the same respect from you.
Re: interesting...fearthecow2003April 14 2005, 01:56:12 UTC
Listen meg, I am more than willing to sit down with you and discuss this in a civil manner. I want to move forward from now on. Nothing can be solved from this constant circular argument that just continues to get heated. Although I am not sure that certain connections can be made again I think something that we have both stood for, and still stand for, is honesty and whatever you may feel I promise that I have remained honest with you.
This isnt me reaching out to a side, this is me reaching out to you as an individual.
Re: interesting...tbone_spartacusApril 14 2005, 20:31:15 UTC
I respect that. Thank you.
but that still doesn't change the fact that I'm pissed about this whole thing. If you'd like to talk to me about it, that's cool. You know I'm always around. But to tell ya the truth, I'm kinda sick of having to put up with all of this and I'm not going to go out of my way to fix people's problems.
Re: interesting...fearthecow2003April 14 2005, 22:05:23 UTC
Oh, I don't want to fix it. I think we are all pretty much beyond that. I do atleast want to get my side out, and hear the other side logically. That way we can all start just working on the real battle.
2.) The dems will never win elections without the help of the hardcore liberals on the left. The dems have tried so hard to get the moderate vote while pushing away their base. by having democrats working with the greens, our goal is to unify the two parties on "our side" of the fence so that we can finally win elections.
3.) I never came to a meeting for the purpose of being disruptive. When other greens had left the meeting, did you even notice that I was still there?...guess not. AND I never flicked anyone off. AND everything on that flyer was true. The Dems have turned yellow. I'm a democrat and I'm willing to admit it. Even David and Nicole acknowledged that during my appeals meeting. AND when did I ever attack you on a personal level? I actually thought we understood eachother for a while there until I realized that it was all for show and that you passed the bylaw to take away our voting rights behind everyone's backs. I can't believe you came over and talked about wanting everyone to get along and be friends, then you go and pull shit like that.
4.) "we let all those people we just “pissed off” become members of the organization and gave them the right to vote" Those people should never have had their "membership" in the organization questioned in the first place. You know how hard all of us have worked this past year together and you know that we are still democrats. But you use the current situation as an excuse to be able to get rid of us and, like you said, "trying to JUST retain power and keep control of the organization"....yeah, within YOUR control.
5.) I AM NOT SEAN. if you have a problem with him, don't bring it to me.
6.) "Your rash ability to lump us into “them” shows that there is no logical solution or way to talk to you guys." YOU GUYS DO THE SAME THING. You all lump us into "Sean's side" all of the damn time, don't give me that shit.
7.) "Keep on fighting your Alpha Male battle guys. It’s a great hobby" I don't know if you've realized this or not, but most of "us" really couldn't give a shit about you guys anymore. It's apparent that working with you guys is not an option for the future and your attempts to push "us" away will just end up hurting you guys in the end since we're trying to help you guys get the liberals to vote democrat again.
8.) Everything is turning personal now. You commenting on MY journal is making it personal.
9.) The shirt was already up on the wall when I came over. Yeah, I added 2 comments on it. one was "Exclusion does not win elections" and as far as I know, that's true. and the other one was pretty clear "Fuck you guys" After all of this, I doubt that needs an explanation.
10.) to tell ya the truth, I've had YOUR back in a lot of fights between people. I got shit for voting for you when you were running against Kyle for president. I voted against a closer friendship because I thought you were better for the position. I've always voted that way, and I always will. I probably would've voted for you again if it wasn't for all of this. Also, people were trying to make it so that you couldn't run because you were not a citizen, and I had your back on that too. I knew even though you are not a registered democrat because you couldn't be, you still were putting in all of the hours right beside us working for the same goal. Sure I got shit for it, but it was the right thing to do. I've always tried to be honest with you about things, you know that. Whenever I had a problem or heard rumors, I always went to you first. It would've been nice to have the same respect from you.
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This isnt me reaching out to a side, this is me reaching out to you as an individual.
So feel free to call me, you have my number.
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but that still doesn't change the fact that I'm pissed about this whole thing. If you'd like to talk to me about it, that's cool. You know I'm always around. But to tell ya the truth, I'm kinda sick of having to put up with all of this and I'm not going to go out of my way to fix people's problems.
peace
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After that I am moving on
Peace
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