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Wait. WAIT. What the actual fuck, ARTeM TELMA database?! Benoit-Michel Tock's chart in Scribes, souscripteurs et témoins dans les actes privés en France (VIIe-début XIIe siècle) suggests that there are TWELVE surviving original Breton charters from before 1121, to which I can only say THAT IS RIDICULOUS. THERE ARE LIKE, NINETY!!
And okay, if you're going by modern regions, as the database claims to, around forty of them are from the département de Loire-Atlantique and so technically not in the modern administrative region of Bretagne (but I totally count it anyway, as people did from the ninth century through like, 1960, and I get the impression that many still do), but that still leaves around fifty more. On the other hand, if you're going by which parent monastery the charters belonged to, there are a lot fewer Breton charters.
BUT THAT DOES NOT EXPLAIN WHY ORIGINALS FROM THE PRIORY OF MARMOUTIER AT LAMBALLE COUNT AS "BRETAGNE" AND ORIGINALS FROM THE PRIORIES OF MARMOUTIER AT FOUGÈRES, COMBOURG, AND VITRÉ COUNT AS "CENTRE."
They're all from la région Bretagne! They were all priories of Marmoutier in areas that were considered to be part of Brittany at the time! Admittedly Lamballe is in the département Côtes d'Armor as opposed to the département d'Ille-et-Vilaine, but but BRETAGNE!
TELMA YOU MAKE NO SENSE POURQUOOOOOOOOOOOOIIII?!
And while I'm at this, let me also mention that there's at least one charter in the database that's catalogued wrongly, because it has apparently been given a new côte in the Archives Départementales d'Ille-et-Vilaine since the database was assembled. I should really write to someone about that...
... Okay, I think I can move on with my reading about scribes, signatories, and witnesses now.
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And okay, if you're going by modern regions, as the database claims to, around forty of them are from the département de Loire-Atlantique and so technically not in the modern administrative region of Bretagne (but I totally count it anyway, as people did from the ninth century through like, 1960, and I get the impression that many still do), but that still leaves around fifty more. On the other hand, if you're going by which parent monastery the charters belonged to, there are a lot fewer Breton charters.
BUT THAT DOES NOT EXPLAIN WHY ORIGINALS FROM THE PRIORY OF MARMOUTIER AT LAMBALLE COUNT AS "BRETAGNE" AND ORIGINALS FROM THE PRIORIES OF MARMOUTIER AT FOUGÈRES, COMBOURG, AND VITRÉ COUNT AS "CENTRE."
They're all from la région Bretagne! They were all priories of Marmoutier in areas that were considered to be part of Brittany at the time! Admittedly Lamballe is in the département Côtes d'Armor as opposed to the département d'Ille-et-Vilaine, but but BRETAGNE!
TELMA YOU MAKE NO SENSE POURQUOOOOOOOOOOOOIIII?!
And while I'm at this, let me also mention that there's at least one charter in the database that's catalogued wrongly, because it has apparently been given a new côte in the Archives Départementales d'Ille-et-Vilaine since the database was assembled. I should really write to someone about that...
... Okay, I think I can move on with my reading about scribes, signatories, and witnesses now.
This entry was originally posted at http://monksandbones.dreamwidth.org/709071.html. Talk to me here or there, whichever you prefer.