Are we being played?

[the_rukh]

Ok, so first of all, we just got to say it like it is. Birthers,useful idiots, 'death panel' believers are a bunch of puppets. You know this and I know this. Any of you? This is not for you. Go derp your bullshit somehwere else. I'm not interested in your idiotic wank

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[puf_almighty]

Could be. I know I'm pretty startled whenever that "Well we'll just force everybody to buy health care" madness pops up. It's like I'm watching a classful of smiling children walk by, nice kids, some have some ugly things about them, and then in the middle there's a slavering werewolf eating peoples' souls. It's like, "what the fuck is THAT evil thing doing there?"

[mijopo]

Well we'll just force everybody to buy health care

I'd be startled too, where have you heard such things?

[puf_almighty]

http://www.google.com/search?q=fine+for+not+buying+health+care&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

[mijopo]

Ah, you mean health insurance, not health care, right? If so, that's a much different story and really, to my mind, not that unlike being required to pay towards a community fire department or police services or having to show car insurance to register a car.

[the_rukh]

Car insurance is a little different as the insurance required is to cover damaging someone else's property.

Oh also I completely forgot but I wanted to apologize to you, I was informed that you weren't the person I was thinking of. There's a certain other poster with a scream icon who I won't name. Anyways, really sorry about that.

[mijopo]

Car insurance is a little different, I agree, but in the case of health insurance at least part of the motivation is based on ensuring that others don't have to pick up the cost of expensive ER treatment or other forms of treatment for the uninsured. So, in both cases, a case for obligation at least partially results from the intention to ensure that people carry their own weight.

Apology accepted, btw, thanks.

[the_rukh]

Right, and I do understand the value of that, it's better than what we have now, but I think that we have much better options that are really easy to do, but we're picking the one with a bit of a benefit vs others with a lot of benefit because it's the one that stands to make people donating money a whole lot of money.

[mijopo]

Oh, I agree that this is really a pro-insurance company health care proposal. I'm just saying, speaking more generally, that the notion of requiring insurance for everyone isn't completely absurd.