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t3hbastard

Hahaha oh god hahaha (sobbing)

Mar 12, 2009 14:26

Seriously!? I have to hear this Atlas Shrugged bullshit again? I thought once it was parodied in a video game we would be done with it. Never has a self-aggrandizing rape fantasy self-justified so much to so many ( Read more... )

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flizbap March 19 2009, 11:02:16 UTC

I dunno forcing people to help the poor, seems about as ethically correct as being a parasitic welfare leech, and being a corporate yuppy douchebag who porfits from other's hard work.

t3hbastard March 19 2009, 14:18:16 UTC

I suspect we differ on the basis of our ethics. Ethics is not a written in stone litany of dos and don'ts its basicly an offshoot of philosophy. Modern interpretations of ethics almost always include the obligation of helping someone in need as long you do not jeopardizing yourself. If you accept that then your statement is not correct my premise is entirely ethical. Especially since in your argument you separate out the legitimate poor from welfare leeches. Your point must then be that you think its unethical to be forced to help those who are disadvantaged and not scamming or leeching. The only way I can see it being unethical is if you define ethical as never being forced to do something you don't want to even if it protects others or benefits society as a whole. That would mean drunk driving is ethical because I want to and probably no one will get hurt. Not my preferred definition. I suspect you are try desperately to shoe horn ethics into a shape that fits your predetermined belief or Dogma ( ... )

flizbap March 19 2009, 16:44:59 UTC

You have to limit the help to those that are willing to help themselves or are at least trying to and failing to do so. Welfare, disability, and unemployment help very few people who actually need it because 90% of the money goes to those who milk it for all it's worth. I was damn near homeless and destitute and thanks to friends and family VOLUNTARILY helping me, I got back on my feet. i never used a dime of welfare or unemployment ( ... )

t3hbastard March 19 2009, 17:08:20 UTC

Then we are partially in agreement at least. Your argument seems to center around not wanting to be tricked into helping people who are just looking for a free ride. That's a different argument entirely than what you said before ( ... )

t3hbastard March 19 2009, 17:09:29 UTC

Also 90% any report you could link to or is that just indignant math?

flizbap March 19 2009, 17:33:00 UTC

Indignant math.

And yes what i would be calling for is welfare reform is suppose. Never thought of a name for it really. Something as simple as a random drug test (though I think that might currently be also cost prohibitive). If someone like your mom could prove she was injured, and prove she was trying to move her life forward (the lawsuit) then she would qualify. Someone hooked on percocet with 7 different women chasing him for child support, should not.

Sorry if it seemed like a personal insult, that was NOT my intention. Trust me, anytime i apply for a job and the employer has been in the military they see my record they automatically assume that i was just trying to get disability money out of the army and that i'm a lazy dishonest ass. I actually DID turn my leg to chowder and needed legitimate medical help but thanks to worthless leeches, that got ruined for me.

t3hbastard March 19 2009, 17:49:58 UTC

I really do understand. I consider talks like these as a chance for both people to hone and polish their thinking. I only wanted to push on that point to see where the reasoning went ( ... )

flizbap March 19 2009, 17:58:43 UTC

you have to go to a central location, there are 2 doors. one door says "free eduction, and training" the other door says "free crack"

behind the eduction door, money and educational programs. behind the crack door, Bob Sapp with an aluminium baseball bat.

Honestly there is no easy answer, we would have to change around the entire infrastructure of the united states. but in the end i think it would be better for us.

t3hbastard March 19 2009, 18:01:35 UTC

Hahahahaah

Yes, I agree about changing the infrastructure. That is what I'm really interested in though. How does that restructuring look, how does it work, what would be needed to implement it? Those are my favorite sort of questions about this stuff. The answer will take a long time to implement so how is the ground work layed starting today.

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