Shmorky vs Todd resolution (xposted a bit)

[spiffystuff]

Howdy. Since I don't really watch SA I hadn't seen that Shmorky had reached a resolution with Todd Goldman for, er, "mistakenly" copying Purple Pussy. Mike Tyndall's site still chronicals most of the material, although I'm a bit sad the initial SA thread got deleted

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[skepticultist]

Commenting here because I'm now banned from scans_daily

Okay, I have to ask...
when you say "Fat", do you mean "morbidly obese"? Like, 250+ lbs? If so, well, I can see how you got this idea, but there's plenty of non-morbidly-obese women who don't like the statue either.I actually mean "not conventionally pretty." As in the sort of women that nobody but desperate geeks ever wants, the sort that nobody ever lusts after, etc. A woman could be fairly thin, but flat-chested and not have a pretty face. Or she could be so completely clueless about projecting sex appeal that people respond to her like she is a boy. The sort of women are described by their friends with terms like "...but she has a great personality

[spiffystuff]

Thanks for taking the time to find this/respond. I didn't realize you were banned till after I commented

[skepticultist]

I don't really buy this line of argument. I know a lot of male comic books fans, and most of them are not remotely the masculine ideal that more or less every male superhero is. And yet, despite their lack of rippling muscles, despite their lack of strong square jaws, despite their usually prominent guts, and despite their completely inability to look heroic and dashing without provoking derisive laughter, I have never -- not even once -- heard a male comic book fan complain about the way men are presented in comic books. Add to this that these sort of doughy, soft chinned, completely undashing guys are routinely presented in all media as losers, scrubs, pathetic nobodies -- at best portrayed as likeable mensches destined to live under the thumb of some strong-willed woman -- and you would think these sorts of complaints would be commonplace. You'd think that comics would routinely feature schlubby heroes, yet I can't name a single superhero who isn't fit, trim and handsome. Well, maybe one or two joke superheroes, like Bouncing

[spiffystuff]

You don't buy the argument? You just stated it yourself with your first response to me! "not conventionally pretty" girls who "resent the prettier girls and anything and everything that reminds them that the pretty girls get the world dropped at their feet while they have to suffer going unappreciated and unwanted" You equated physical attractiveness with "super done up" attractiveness with emotional attractiveness. You said women who aren't conventionally pretty are unwanted and that's just not true.

I have never -- not even once -- heard a male comic book fan complain about the way men are presented in comic books.My boyfriend dislikes the way men are portrated; he is not a comic book fan, though, and that is one of the reasons why. It just so happens that he doesn't identify with the super dominant/powerful/aggressive idealization men tend to get. The irony is that I do. You don't hear male comic book fans complaining about it probably because the people who don't like it aren't comic book fans. "but why do women read

[skepticultist]

You don't buy the argument?

That's right.

You just stated it yourself with your first response to me!

Um, no, no I didn't. Something is clearly being miscommunicated.

I would counter that anyone who thinks men ARE sexualized in mainstream comics needs to pay more attention to gay comics. The men look... appreciably different.

Yeah. They look gay. Like that image you linked to. That is not a image of heterosexual masculinity, that's an image of homosexual sexuality.

[spiffystuff]

*shrug* Okay. Agree to disagree then.

[spiffystuff]

Sorry, forgot the illustration: If there were a lot of mainstream comic book men who like this, I'd give more creedence to the "but men are sexualized too" argument.