Shmorky vs Todd resolution (xposted a bit)

[spiffystuff]

Howdy. Since I don't really watch SA I hadn't seen that Shmorky had reached a resolution with Todd Goldman for, er, "mistakenly" copying Purple Pussy. Mike Tyndall's site still chronicals most of the material, although I'm a bit sad the initial SA thread got deleted

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[spiffystuff]

You don't buy the argument? You just stated it yourself with your first response to me! "not conventionally pretty" girls who "resent the prettier girls and anything and everything that reminds them that the pretty girls get the world dropped at their feet while they have to suffer going unappreciated and unwanted" You equated physical attractiveness with "super done up" attractiveness with emotional attractiveness. You said women who aren't conventionally pretty are unwanted and that's just not true.

I have never -- not even once -- heard a male comic book fan complain about the way men are presented in comic books.
My boyfriend dislikes the way men are portrated; he is not a comic book fan, though, and that is one of the reasons why. It just so happens that he doesn't identify with the super dominant/powerful/aggressive idealization men tend to get. The irony is that I do. You don't hear male comic book fans complaining about it probably because the people who don't like it aren't comic book fans. "but why do women read comics then?" Probably because they are craving their own adolescent power fantasy, and identifying with the men. At least, that's why I read them.
Furthermore, plenty of male fans complained when Alex Ross drew a comic book man with a too-emphasized "package". I could dig up the link if you haven't already seen it.

And anyone who thinks that men aren't sexualized in comics needs to pay more attention to gay fans.
I would counter that anyone who thinks men ARE sexualized in mainstream comics needs to pay more attention to gay comics. The men look... appreciably different. The recent influx of mainstream comics has changed that a bit, though, these days some of the young men do look dressed/drawn to be "hot" rather than just "powerful".
But still, generally speaking while comic book men are certainly idealized, it is in a different way than comic book women. You'll notice, for example, with a lot of the image/wildstorm art, the men tend to be super-extra-clothed, and look ominous and mysterious, while the women tend to be scantily clad and their "badassness" is tied up in their sexuality. :P

[skepticultist]

You don't buy the argument?

That's right.

You just stated it yourself with your first response to me!

Um, no, no I didn't. Something is clearly being miscommunicated.

I would counter that anyone who thinks men ARE sexualized in mainstream comics needs to pay more attention to gay comics. The men look... appreciably different.

Yeah. They look gay. Like that image you linked to. That is not a image of heterosexual masculinity, that's an image of homosexual sexuality.

[spiffystuff]

*shrug* Okay. Agree to disagree then.