Episode Notes: Magnificent Seven "Wagon Train, part 2"

Jul 06, 2007 21:36

Well the folks who gave me a Chris/Vin oriented thumbs up on this episode weren't kidding at all, were they? Because OMG it is so clear to me that Vin went back to *Chris* specifically. And Chris, hurt by him leaving and withdrawing...until Vin comes tumbling down that hill. Mmmm!! ::happy sighs ( Read more... )

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spikedluv July 7 2007, 03:17:33 UTC
Ahhhh! Wasn't this a wonderful ending for what looked like Vin leaving with Charlotte? Amazing how it could still be so slashy. Another example of the writers throwing women at the men making them look even more gay. *g*

Loved Vin needing to go back and warn Chris the others. And the first thing Chris says to him, "You back for good?" You're right, Chris totally didn't sound sincere when he said it was Vin's life, none of his business. And he was jealous and hurt when he said that it looked to him like Vin was already gone. These silly boys ( ... )

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pezgirl7 July 7 2007, 05:27:01 UTC
Loved Buck and Ezra doing the slingshot. Reminded me of the ep where they couldn't get the fuse lit, and then when Buck threw the dynamite the fuse fell out. *g*

I can just imagine Buck and Ezra playing together as children. I think they would get into a world of trouble!

I also like how Nathan and Ezra's relationship has progressed, although I think Ezra got over his prejudice awfully fast. Nathan took longer to accept Ezra for who he is, which is more realistic. And oh, how I love the flying into the bushes bit! "That was not kind, not kind at all" :) And Ezra getting slapped! Ouch. He reacts as if it's not the first time too! hehe I don't think even Buck has ever been shown getting slapped!

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magicom July 9 2007, 03:56:25 UTC
Ezra did *seem* to get over his prejudice rather fast, but I think it fits with his personality. Ezra keeps things that are useful to him and he found out about two-thirds through the pilot that his prejudice against Nathan (and by extension against black people in general) was not only not useful, but rather counter-productive. It also seems to be something he absorbed from society rather than something he was taught, as Maude doesn't seem to have any issues with either Nathan OR Nathan's dad. Unless it was taught by one of the bajillion relatives she dumped him with during his childhood. At any rate, I don't think it's out of character for him to discard it as soon as he realizes it doesn't help him in life at all ( ... )

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sassyinkpen July 9 2007, 14:04:27 UTC
Like maybe, for a second, he forgot it was *Ezra* - his rogueish, card-cheating, grifting but ultimately good-hearted buddy - and instead he saw the sort of southern white man who made him sword fight in the first place.

I love this interpretation, and I think it's very plausible. Look at Working Girls when Nathan was practically frothing at the mouth over Ezra "selling women off like chattel", when that's not really what Ezra was doing. Ezra's marriage brokering was going to be a win-win for everyone, I think, since he clearly DID care what happened to those women.

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magicom July 9 2007, 14:56:16 UTC
And I think, too, that it's pretty clear that Ezra cares about the treatment of women in general. I've said it somewhere else as well, that he seems to take it particularly hard when harm is done to women. I think in his way (and, of course for a percentage) he really thought he was helping those girls.

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sassyinkpen July 9 2007, 15:12:26 UTC
Yes, exactly. He was so stricken when Claire Mosley was killed in Manhunt.

I don't think he would have set any of those women up with anyone terrible - I mean, look at the gomers he actually had signed up at the end of that ep. :)

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magicom July 9 2007, 15:23:00 UTC
He did say he'd be vetting all candidates personally. I'm sure he went for mild-mannered sorts with more money than brains. Makes sense for the grifting side of things as well ;)

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sara_merry99 July 10 2007, 15:52:03 UTC
Exactly! Best for both him and the girls if he didn't go for the best and the brightest, just the nicest and the richest. :D

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sara_merry99 July 10 2007, 15:47:48 UTC
Exactly, he was setting them up with nice little nebbishes with lots of money. A far better life than prostitution, realistically speaking.

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sara_merry99 July 10 2007, 15:46:08 UTC
I think in his way (and, of course for a percentage) he really thought he was helping those girls.

Oh, well, really he certainly was. Then as now being a prostitute is an unenviable and insecure life. Far better to the the bride of a nice, wealthy, nebbishy man. :D (As sassyinkpen points out, did you see the gomers he was trying to hook them up with.)

And it's not as though Ezra was extracting any of the price of his marriage-brokering from the *women*, who had little. He was getting it from the men, who had much.

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sara_merry99 July 10 2007, 15:32:15 UTC
I think it's quite possible that Nathan, very humanly and realistically, can't always see beyond his own limitations.

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sara_merry99 July 9 2007, 21:41:09 UTC
Ezra keeps things that are useful to him and he found out about two-thirds through the pilot that his prejudice against Nathan (and by extension against black people in general) was not only not useful, but rather counter-productive. It also seems to be something he absorbed from society rather than something he was taught, as Maude doesn't seem to have any issues with either Nathan OR Nathan's dad.Oh, now this is a *really* good point!! And it does explain why he got over his prejudice so quickly ( ... )

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magicom July 9 2007, 22:25:17 UTC
When Nathan was sparring with Ezra in the church to, basically, help determine who should train Buck, Ezra seemed very good natured about it when he dropped the gauntlet, almost like it was play. The final blow that took out the candles only missed Ezra's head because he ducked at the right time. You don't really get the impression from the amount of followthrough in the blow that the sword would have stopped at Ezra's throat if he hadn't. It's not a dispersion on Nathan - it's probably his intensity in the training that saved Buck's life, but I think for a second he was really caught up in the moment ( ... )

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sara_merry99 July 11 2007, 12:39:47 UTC
The final blow that took out the candles only missed Ezra's head because he ducked at the right time. You don't really get the impression from the amount of followthrough in the blow that the sword would have stopped at Ezra's throat if he hadn't. It's not a dispersion on Nathan - it's probably his intensity in the training that saved Buck's life, but I think for a second he was really caught up in the moment.

Huh!! I just didn't read the scene that way. I read it as a bit of showing off, but also that Nathan was in control and he would have done *something* to keep from hurting Ezra if Ez hadn't ducked at the right time.

That's an interesting reading of the scene!

They're fantastic in scenes together, I'd love to see more fanfic focusing on their friendship. They play off each other so well throughout the second season, even when they don't agree.

I personally find them a bit daunting to write, unfortunately. Particularly together. Particularly Ezra.

But yeah, I'd love to see more of it!

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sara_merry99 July 8 2007, 18:34:03 UTC
Wasn't this a wonderful ending for what looked like Vin leaving with Charlotte? Amazing how it could still be so slashy. Another example of the writers throwing women at the men making them look even more gay. *g*

Oh *gosh* yes!! Because he so *obviously* left her to go back to Chris!! Which was just the most wonderful thing in, like, *ever*! And I loved him being so upfront about having changed his mind about her, and about them.

And the first thing Chris says to him, "You back for good?" You're right, Chris totally didn't sound sincere when he said it was Vin's life, none of his business. And he was jealous and hurt when he said that it looked to him like Vin was already gone.

I really think that comment about Vin already being gone, and that he needed to know when he could count on Vin, were what made Vin realize what he'd be losing (Chris) to gain Charlotte. ::hums happily::

But all that is forgotten when Vin is hurt. Loved Chris rushing to his side, and the fact that they're back together again at the end. *sigh*Rushing to ( ... )

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farad July 9 2007, 14:47:47 UTC
Ahhhh! Wasn't this a wonderful ending for what looked like Vin leaving with Charlotte? Amazing how it could still be so slashy. Another example of the writers throwing women at the men making them look even more gay. *g*

This is awesome - and so wickedly true! Thanks for the observation!

And in conclusion, Chris and Vin make-up sex to follow, yay! *g*

Must have - so where are those stories????????

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