Comments | ron_broxted: Mijnheer Wilders, "Fitna" and the illusion of free speech.

ron_broxted

Mijnheer Wilders, "Fitna" and the illusion of free speech.

Oct 16, 2009 10:21

The denial of free speech is seen by Chris Kitchen's interrogation by police as he tried to leave England. Compare and contrast to Geert Wilders provocative visit to the U.K. Wilders will not be welcomed with open arms (save by far right Islamophobes) and his entry (second time lucky) to England will reignite tensions. Do the Dutch fully understand ( Read more... )

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Non-assimulated Muslims corporeal_v001 October 16 2009, 10:45:22 UTC

I, to some degree, agree with your observation about non-assimulated Muslims. But this is a loose observation. Muslims come in various levels of assimulation. By that I mean, first generation, second generation, etc, out of thier native countries ( ... )

Re: Non-assimulated Muslims ron_broxted October 16 2009, 10:55:29 UTC

I noticed this with some other faith communities. Jews who came from the Ashkenazim tried to be "more English than the English". Their children/grandchildren rebelled and adopted very frumm lifestyles. Same with Irish Catholics in the 1950s and '60s. It is a tricky situation with Wilders, free speech (unpalatable) versus the right not to be racially attacked.

Re: Non-assimulated Muslims dnmurphy October 16 2009, 15:31:38 UTC

Its not a tricky situation, he has the right to speak, he has the right not to be attacked. Your argument about contributory negligence is the same that says the rapists victim is at fault by not being careful enough ( ... )

Re: Non-assimulated Muslims ron_broxted October 16 2009, 15:37:51 UTC

Nobody "asks" to be raped but if a woman goes home with a guy she just met, gets naked, has foreplay and then decides to get dressed to what measure has she "contributed" to her situation? Wouldn't it be wise if she didn't want sex not to get to that stage? I take your point. I formerly lived in a London slum. Heavy N.F support. There was (at least) one pub that West Indians dared not enter. Nobody asks to get glassed in the face but if a guy is determined to go to that pub?
Finally, I am in 2 minds about Griffin, he isn't the usual knuckle dragger and made fair points when he contacted me. To sum up Britain? It is where 4 eco-protesters were arrested & interrogated as terrorists. It is a de facto police state, and as we all know the police are corrupt, cowardly, mendacious, murdering racists.