Go Vote Please

[rebelpilot]

I planned on drawing up the Constitution, Declaration of Independence, and some of Ben Franklin and Thomas Jefferson's correspondences to each other and several people. Of course I was also fucking tired last night and passed out, so I'll try to sum it up since I have about 2 seconds before I have to leave to go vote and still try to make it in

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[downfrodeo]

As a US citizen, I also have the right to boycott a electoral process that is fundamentally flawed (remember all those young people who registered in 04, only to find out that they couldn't vote because of some ridiculous red tape happenstance?). In a country where federal law supercedes state law, regardless of the matters at hand (gay marriage anyone?...where's your precious constitution now?), choosing between rich, entitled asshole #1 and rich, entitled asshole #2 has no REAL bearing on our daily lives.

We live in a republic. Not a democracy. Nothing will change until we excersize our right to bear arms and overthrow this joke of a government. The average american is an ignorant coward who, in my opinion, really shouldn't be voting in the first place.

[tarsus4]

Federalism is the best part of the system. Washington and Hamilton knew that when they asked Congress to set up the first national banking system. The problem isn't that Federal Law supersedes State Law. It has to in some (most?) situations for the good of the economy, and it's written into the Constitution. The problem (and I think it's what you really meant) is that *sometimes* the Feds overstep their bounds into a place where they have marginal justification to be (i.e. social issues). This makes me equally angry, but not quite ready to throw out the system

[rebelpilot]

Ken you are absolutley right, let me just add this...

The Judicial System can overturn any Constitutional Amendment that encroaches on State Rights. In the history of the Supreme court, ever since John Jay (first Supreme Court Chief Justice) Gave Private Citizens the right to bring up court against the states, The Highest Court has really protected the rights of it's citizens no matter who in power.

Lastly, I just want to throw in the topic of Net Neutrality. People vote to save it, please:
http://www.savetheinternet.com/=senatetally

Thanks for saying what I was trying to say far more concisely.

[downfrodeo]

ok, so I vote in the primaries and another wealthy tool gets elected. Joe Millionaire is not representative of the general public (been to california lately

[rebelpilot]

So you'd rather surrender and do nothing then huh? Interesting, I never though Colin Foley would just surrender. YOu have suprised me today, where is the Lightsaber wielding fool who would bludgeon any Orphan who stood in his way to Jedi Perdition

[downfrodeo]

dude, why you gotta blow up my spot on the internet with the star wars shit? lol.

I'm not giving up, however I'm one person out of 300 million. I know what I think is right, but people need to wake up and be concerned. Half the people who are voting are just going to say that they did anyway. I'm educated on the issues at hand, problem is, not a whole lot of other people are. So I can wave my dick around and say that the country is fucked, but noone will care until you break their tv's and pop the tires on their SUV's. I'm no longer proud to be an American.

No, being rich does not make you an asshole, however, being a politician usually does. That doesn't mean there aren't a few good eggs out there. My vote is certainly going for Obama should he decide to run.

Problem is, McCain, Obama, or whomever will get a swift bullet in the head the second they start REALLY changing things.

[tarsus4]

Ok, I may have been slightly disingenuous with the idea that one person could cause change. One person without organization, without real support, is not going to be able to put much of a dent into the system. Nor should he, or else we'd have 300 million competing views of government clashing against each other

[downfrodeo]

Thank you. I know I'm entirely too crazy and idealistic for my own good. However, you're awesome. Thanks for the clarification.

[rebelpilot]

Rephrase, we live in a representative democracy (or Democratic Republic). We are neither a full democratic state nor a full republic

[rebelpilot]

Your also somewhat wrong on Federal law superceeding State Law. Only the constitution can superceed federal law. A topic like Gay Marriages right now is handled on a state by state basis. So is something like Drugs (ie marijuana is somewhat legal in Oregon). That is why we have a right to judicial review. We then are able to obtain a verdict like Roe Versus Wade ( a woman's right to choose.). Your blowing the fires of gay marriage in the wrong direction. What you need to do is convince your local represenattive that you support gay marraiges (In your state senate not the federal senate). The daily rigths and effects on the lives of citizens are dictated on a state level. The personal freedoms and saftey of our citizens are dictated at a federal level

[downfrodeo]

I don't really have the time to get into this at the moment, but we can have our discussion in the near future.

As far as rallies are concerned, peacful assembly really doesn't accomplish a whole lot. As you've said numerous times, you can make a big enough of a stink that your voice is heard. Yet, as evidenced by the rallies that took place when we first went to war, the administration (not just current) is going to carry on as planned regardless of public opinion.

In terms of the gay marriage thing, I can't recall where or when (which helps my argument alot) but good ol georgie was flown in by helicopter to stop thousands of people from getting married, despite the state law legalizing it. The centralization of power is what has me the most concerned at this point.

I'm also not sitting home doing nothing....I'm working a 14 hour day today damnit.....lol

[rebelpilot]

I think you were thinking of the Gay marraige thing in Boston or something. I know what your talking about, but because the president flies somewhere doens't mean he can stop state rights =P.

As for the rallies, really quickly, the timing was off, the country was still split on the war (Or more like confusing patriotism with blind devotion and fear of reprisal). If htey happened now, Bush will resign Nixon style.

And lastly, most of the personal stuff I siad were hyperbole (I know your working, I'm just syaing you know, not voting specailly if your already registered and you went htis morning it took me no more than 10 minutes.). It's hard to make a point if we are too literal =P

I should have been a politician dang it.

[downfrodeo]

we all should have been. that, or jedi.

[rebelpilot]

Jedi, definaltey Jedi.

They get way more chicks than politicans.