oh, fandom...don't ever change

[qthewetsprocket]

thank you, biichan, for pointing me to this mind-blowing henhouse flap over something somebody read that steven moffat might have said somewhere at some point, maybewhen i first read this i thought they had to be taking the piss...seriously, it's such a weirdly perfect platonic ideal of the fandom telephone/extrapolation game. at least with rtd, people

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[pescivendolo]

Oh chippers. Never change. Or do. Actually, do.

[pescivendolo]

I bet she thinks Moffat's episodes are sexist and Rusty is the patron saint of female and non-white characters. Also that the Doctor didn't have a hard-on for River or Reinette, only pitied them.

[qthewetsprocket]

see, moffat definitely says a lot of idiotic sexist stuff in interviews and things, but it never shows up in his actual work. and when you're dealing with a massively popular childrens' show, which helps shape kids' ideas of what their world can be, i'll take moffat's brand of idiocy over rtd's hideously ugly in-show messages about womens' roles / lack of value in relationships with men any damn day of the week.

[kateorman]

*glances through the catastrophisation, anticipointment, and showmaker personal hate* Ya know, to me, this looks exactly the same as any other part of fandom, at any time since the eighties. The only thing that ever changes is the names.

[qthewetsprocket]

it's like someone went, 'what's the most controversial thing moffat could say that would cause a big stir among the fen? - aha, that's he's dumping rtd's whole tenure and starting from scratch!'

if fandom's in such an uproar a full year before we even get to see any of moff's episodes, i really can't wait for s5 (or s1, if the rumor is OMGTRUE)...this is gonna be hilarious. when eleven regenerates, the first thing i want him to do now is turn to his new companion and say, 'guess what, stephanie? i really AM half human! only i was born in a loom too due to some timey-wimey weirdness that i'll explain later. and you know what else? i had sex with susan's grandmother! and leela's really my mum! and the master is really my brother!' etc etc etc...

[kateorman]

An extensive OH NOES thread is already in progress at Gallifrey Base.

[jblum]

(or s1, if the rumor is OMGTRUE)

Well, one thing is true -- DWM has confirmed that in production terms, the next series is being treated in-house as a season 1. E.g, the clapper just says "DOCTOR WHO" on it, rather than "DOCTOR WHO V".

Which of course no more means that they're going to reboot the entire universe than it did when RTD launched his era as an in-house season 1. Heck, it doesn't even mean they're not going to call the DVDs "The Complete Fifth Series" (though god knows whether they will, actually).

It does, however, mean that over on the other side of the Great Fannish Divide, the boys are arguing fiercely over whether this means they have to retroactively renumber the last run as Seasons 27-30, or maybe 31...

[fenm]

Am I the only one who really wouldn't mind if they DID start over? Or at least had Eleven get amnesia about the last few years...

[qthewetsprocket]

for me, the day that the whole rose-tyler-fixation fiasco becomes a distant memory cannot come quickly enough.

on a purely personal note, too, i think it would be rather sad in a lovely sort of way if eleven woke up with his memories starting exactly at the end of the time war, right when eight became nine. we never really got to see him deal with any of what happened during that time, and it'd be nice to see that finally resovled.

otoh, i also think it'd be fantastic if the time lords were all really still alive, and just hiding from the doctor or something. that's probably the way they punish criminals, through the ultimate exile...ie, making the outcast think there's no society to return to.

*imagines all the time lords turning out the lights and hiding when the doctor comes to visit*

[nostalgia_lj]

I would care more if they actually disliked Moffat for reasons other than shipping.

[qthewetsprocket]

it kind of half makes me wonder if maybe it wasn't a tactic of some sort? i mean, we've been getting little tidbits regularly dropped as far as casting and producers and guest stars and so forth...maybe keeping the fans stirred up is part of the whole 'don't let them forget about the show during the ENTIRE YEAR they have to wait for a new series' schtick the production team seems to be following?

[nostalgia_lj]

I think we're fine as long as Moffat doesn't take all the hate to heart and write something awful because he has lost his magics.

[qthewetsprocket]

he does definitely seem the type who'd poke the fen on purpose, just to stand back and giggle as he watched the feathers fly...hell, i probably would too, if truth be told. and while i can definitely appreciate the perversity of such a thing, it also strikes me as the kind of thing that could possibly lead to Trouble somewhere down the line.

*drums fingers impatiently on desk and wishes next year would hurry the hell up and get here*

[acidpenguin46]

*looks at that post*

*wishes she had brain bleach*

...People scare me. Especially chippers.

[qthewetsprocket]

i know some quite lovely, quite reasonable rose fans. chippers scare the living hell out of me. trying to talk logic to some of them is like mixing oil and water, only much more explosive.

[kateorman]

To be fair, the OUTRAGE is hardly limited to fans obsessed with Rose. The most common complaint by far is just "whuh that's confuzzling". It's the same list-making madness that gripped fandom when Season 27 turned out to be Season 1.

[qthewetsprocket]

To be fair, the OUTRAGE is hardly limited to fans obsessed with Rose.

true, but they're definitely the folks i've seen crying the loudest: 'OMG MOFF THE ROSE-H8R IS GONNA KILL ALL THE SHIPS EVAH!!!' etc etc etc. and like i told jon, i don't really have a problem with organizing the seasons into sub-categories like 'davison s3', 'pertwee s2', or 'smith s1'. seems much easier and more descriptive; you ask me. though i do agree most of the fans are probably still going to call it 'new who s5', at least at first; since that's what we'll have been calling it for over a year before its transmission.

btw, just so you know...every time i see your icon, this song immediately gets stuck in my head. just so you know.