We all remember the joy we had when Lynn told us that "Nighrunners" would get a film adaptation and I'm sure I'm not the only one mightily disappointed when it ended up not happening
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I suppose Lynn Flewelling would be willing, at least the last comment I remember reading by her about the topic was that she was saddened that it wouldn't happen (yet). - I think the rights expired at the time she announced it wouldn't get done, but we could search her tags and find out
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Yes, I have doubts about the budgeting, too. And some low budget production... I just think it's already very difficult to adapt it to screen in a way that would satisfy LF and fans both, but a low budget would makes things even worse. And recently they are messing up so many books - look at all those YA adaptations, they look great at first glance but then... :( I wouldn't want that. Before they mess it up, I'd rather not have a movie at all :/ (which doesn't mean I wouldn't want one at all or that I wasn't really looking forward to it when there were still plans). Even a mini-series... unless some company like Starz or HBO suddenly fall in love with the books and decide to do it, I'm not so sure about it.
I might sound like I don't want an adaptation at all, but once again that's not it. But these are some of my absolutely most favourite books in the whole wide world, and it would be horrible if someone messed them up, hence, I'd rather have none, than having an adaptation just for the sake of having it adapted to screen.
I think we can agree that we'd *love* a well done film. And I wouldn't mind adding a bit of money to the collection. But I know I couldn't afford much - and I fear most others wouldn't be able to afford huge amounts either. - It's not even that I would mind if things weren't exactly the way I remember them from the books, I've long accepted that some things will be changed even with the high budget stuff.
I think a mini-series sounds like the most doable version. But even with that, I, too, am not sure. I'd want it to be done well. And I'd hate to miss out on some of my favourite scenes. Particularly the bigger and small gestures of love between Alec and Seregil as they're growing closer. And then imagine they get everything done nicely. And the guys don't have any chemistry with each other. -_- (I really am I worst-case-scenario person, aren't I?)
I think for crowd funding we could trust on tumblr - nope. Not making this up. I really mean it; thankfully, it is NOT soley consisted of 14-years old but to a good chunk of people who can afford to chip in 50 bucks or so, maybe even more. If one manages to keep quality and costs of production in an even relation... (just the more reason for a lesser-known, young, talented cast peppered with one or two bigger names as supporting cast; it's hella lot cheaper; plus ... other reasons
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But if we got 200 people offering 50 bucks and 500 offering 10 we'd still only be at 15.000. Even if we add in another 200 willing to give 20 bucks and one person offering 1000 we'd be at 20.000. Let's assume we double that amount. And someone with insane stashes of money adds 10.000 because they can or want to or whatever. 50.000. - Let's say the production company found someone backing it with a further 100.000 after they noticed that some people at least clearly do care - the revenue won't exactly be the same as it would be for some mainstream picture
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Well unless I missed something - http://otterdance.livejournal.com/436682.html is the latest entry she's made on the matter. It *is* entirely possible that I missed something, of course
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So, in other words before anything could be done we'd have to find some valid points on why and how a Nightrunner mini series would be a good idea, both critically and financially (latter with and without crowd funding taken into account).
Because, honestly, I'm stubborn as a mule on that matter. I want more diversity in my media, I want good quality in this divere media and damnit I will get it and if I have to robb or blackmail a banker (which would make aquiring proper material imperative... which in turn is exactly the point where Seregil would come in handy, alas he's fictional) - well, then... ... ...
That. And then it'd definitely need a huge crowd asking for it. And even among the Nightrunner *fans* there are people who don't want to see a film because they're weary of all the books that were screwed up on screen
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- Representation: Most obviously, the queer representation. We need way more media with queer characters and a queer narrative that's just that - a character and a narrative that's among other things queer, instead of making the queerness the main defining factor and plot point. I mean - are straight characters defined by their straightness? Nope, probably because it's what people consider "default" -__- - Alec muses a bit about his attraction to Seregil, but at the same time he has other things in mind. Seregil is canonically and very openly queer. And lo and behold, if you had him straight and Alec a girl none of his behaviour or his thought patterns regarding Alec would change (the "he's Dalnan, he wouldn't" aside). See, orientation is a part of our identity. But it's not our defining trait. Making it so is degrading and insulting as hell and just causes people to exclaim: "But you act so... ... so normal, I never would have guessed you're gay
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I fear particularly the POC question is going to be difficult. They're white on the covers of the books and the actors LF suggests are white, too. So at least Seregil and Alec are supposed to be white for all we know. --- I'd (obviously?) prefer it if they weren't. But that's a different story
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Lynn PROMISED she'd not go G.R.R. Martin. Also she said she is done. For now. Maybe we'll get another book in a few years... so... if she kills them I'll fly over to Maine and annoy her until she revives them. ... but I'm hopeful I don't need to. :)
And yes, maaaybe a video would be a good idea, but due to my annoying voice and my tendency to a slight stutter when nervous... I'll better leave the talk to someone else and keep on collecting arguments and stringing them together coherently.
... also my spoken english is TERRIBLE. JUST TERRIBLE. Who even cares.
(seriously, after all that Hair talk I drew a connection between Cecil and Seregil...)
Well I'll just wait till I've read Shards. :P (I wouldn't tell the readers if I intended to kill anyone either. It's rather spoilery. .P)
Aww. Well a vid would make it easier to get the message spread to people who don't want to read. But yeah, I can relate. I tend to stutter when I'm nervous, too. :(
Maybe someone else will be willing to do it. - Find the arguments. And consider how to present them. A lot of people like pictures. And nice fonts. And short, snazzy messages. And humour.
... check out "Welcome to Nightvale", a podcast (google it, you find it). It's adorable. And you'll understand around the 3rd or 4th episode... :)
Hmm... ... so... colleecting arguments... writing... working on presentation... finding someone who has a less squeaky voice... ... ... urrrgh, wasn't I supposed to finish my thesis or something? *grins* (However, I found that writing it down already helps stringing the arguments... and as we see, can lead to a rather good discourse... but well, a discourse would work just as well in a face-to-face. ... I really should get a meet up or something started.
Well perhaps you might want to finish the thesis *before* you try to work on this project again? ;) Let it stew a bit. It might help you come up with more arguments.
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Even a mini-series... unless some company like Starz or HBO suddenly fall in love with the books and decide to do it, I'm not so sure about it.
I might sound like I don't want an adaptation at all, but once again that's not it. But these are some of my absolutely most favourite books in the whole wide world, and it would be horrible if someone messed them up, hence, I'd rather have none, than having an adaptation just for the sake of having it adapted to screen.
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I think a mini-series sounds like the most doable version. But even with that, I, too, am not sure. I'd want it to be done well. And I'd hate to miss out on some of my favourite scenes. Particularly the bigger and small gestures of love between Alec and Seregil as they're growing closer. And then imagine they get everything done nicely. And the guys don't have any chemistry with each other. -_- (I really am I worst-case-scenario person, aren't I?)
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Because, honestly, I'm stubborn as a mule on that matter. I want more diversity in my media, I want good quality in this divere media and damnit I will get it and if I have to robb or blackmail a banker (which would make aquiring proper material imperative... which in turn is exactly the point where Seregil would come in handy, alas he's fictional) - well, then... ... ...
Damn it.
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- Representation:
Most obviously, the queer representation. We need way more media with queer characters and a queer narrative that's just that - a character and a narrative that's among other things queer, instead of making the queerness the main defining factor and plot point. I mean - are straight characters defined by their straightness? Nope, probably because it's what people consider "default" -__- - Alec muses a bit about his attraction to Seregil, but at the same time he has other things in mind. Seregil is canonically and very openly queer. And lo and behold, if you had him straight and Alec a girl none of his behaviour or his thought patterns regarding Alec would change (the "he's Dalnan, he wouldn't" aside). See, orientation is a part of our identity. But it's not our defining trait. Making it so is degrading and insulting as hell and just causes people to exclaim: "But you act so... ... so normal, I never would have guessed you're gay ( ... )
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And yes, maaaybe a video would be a good idea, but due to my annoying voice and my tendency to a slight stutter when nervous... I'll better leave the talk to someone else and keep on collecting arguments and stringing them together coherently.
... also my spoken english is TERRIBLE. JUST TERRIBLE. Who even cares.
(seriously, after all that Hair talk I drew a connection between Cecil and Seregil...)
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Aww. Well a vid would make it easier to get the message spread to people who don't want to read.
But yeah, I can relate. I tend to stutter when I'm nervous, too. :(
Maybe someone else will be willing to do it. - Find the arguments. And consider how to present them. A lot of people like pictures. And nice fonts. And short, snazzy messages. And humour.
Cecil? *confused*
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Hmm... ... so... colleecting arguments... writing... working on presentation... finding someone who has a less squeaky voice... ... ... urrrgh, wasn't I supposed to finish my thesis or something? *grins*
(However, I found that writing it down already helps stringing the arguments... and as we see, can lead to a rather good discourse... but well, a discourse would work just as well in a face-to-face. ... I really should get a meet up or something started.
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Well perhaps you might want to finish the thesis *before* you try to work on this project again? ;) Let it stew a bit. It might help you come up with more arguments.
It certainly does. :)
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