We all remember the joy we had when Lynn told us that "Nighrunners" would get a film adaptation and I'm sure I'm not the only one mightily disappointed when it ended up not happening
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But if we got 200 people offering 50 bucks and 500 offering 10 we'd still only be at 15.000. Even if we add in another 200 willing to give 20 bucks and one person offering 1000 we'd be at 20.000. Let's assume we double that amount. And someone with insane stashes of money adds 10.000 because they can or want to or whatever. 50.000. - Let's say the production company found someone backing it with a further 100.000 after they noticed that some people at least clearly do care - the revenue won't exactly be the same as it would be for some mainstream picture.
They'd need to adapt the books for screen. (I think that got started at some point, so it might just be a job of finishing it if it could be procured from the writer who started or perhaps even finished.) They'd need actors. Stunt doubles (unless the young motivated actors are reckless enough, in which case they'll probably want a health insurance) Animals and animal trainers. Locations. Costumes. Props. Music. Make up. (They get hurt a lot. We wouldn't want Seregil lying around with no wound at all when Nysander, Alec and Thero are busy trying to save his life, would we?) Equipment. And then there's special effects... which is one of the dreadfully expensive things for fantasy that involves all the fighting sounds etc.. and the magic obviously. (But would we want cheap tricks used when they change into animals or bodyswap?) A crew. They'd likely need several weeks/months of shooting, particularly as scenes just do get screwed up at times and weather can become an issue. (And yes, I'm sure a young, motivated crew would put up with some hardships. But they'd need a place to stay. And nourishment.) Add to that that you do have to advertise the movie/mini-series...
I would like to see this if it was well shot. I really would. And I would offer some of my money for it. But. I just don't see how it could be done well unless we manage to exploit all the people involved in making it happen. :/
See your point and nope I don't wish to exploit anyone. The answer would be to find a) more people who'd chip in b) more people and organisations who'd chip more in - I SERIOUSLY wouldn't mind if some jewellery company placed their products on Klias throat and got name dropped under the guise of a Gem cutter or something. Stuff that blends in subtly. (I know I'D wear a brooch like Alecs silver leaves...) And when a company can't fit in subtly, a big spot in the credits is nice too? c) cutting down and simultanously raising expectations. Instead of hoping we can stem all that money on our own, we might have to look for a company who'd split the costs 50:50.
... which would open another can of worms. Graaaah. Let's say it's not impossible, but god damn we've got a nasty bit of work and we haven't even started. *laughs nervously*
(however... if one would take a young, talented team, this WOULD lower the costs considerably, because ... the longer and better your CV the more you cost, even in areas like animation. Which would mean one could pay them good money still without having to worry. Throw in one or two seasoned, big-name actors for support and you a) get someone who ideally does support the rest of the cast and gets them to give their best b) has a pull towards a larger demographic, due to big name c) thus gives both the film the youngsters the neccessary exposure...)
It would be certainly doable with a cooperative, invested producer. Doesn't mean it would be easy, but then again, good works hardly are achieved the easy way.
Aaaaanyways, first let's clear up that rights holding thing.
Well unless I missed something - http://otterdance.livejournal.com/436682.html is the latest entry she's made on the matter. It *is* entirely possible that I missed something, of course.
I still fear that it can't be done. If you wanted to convince someone that advertising in/after the film would be a good idea you'd need to convince them that there'll be a big audience for the film, but if we're honest, it is a bit of a niche - yes it might get some people who enjoy the m/m and some people who enjoy fantasy and of course the fans - but there'll also be people who'd enjoy the m/m and don't like fantasy or would be shocked about Sebrahn when told to read the books - and there'll be people who're into fantasy but either don't like m/m or are annoyed that there is no leading lady. (I love the female characters in the books. But they're not exactly the main characters and there are quite long scenes that feature no female characters at all.) They'd be foolish to pay a lot of money on a film that might attract less viewers than your average tv show. - Same goes for finding someone who'd overtake some of the production costs. --- If a professional company couldn't find backing, how will amateurs manage? Those people will have a much better idea on how it can be done. And they have a proper name to seal contracts with. Other companies would know who they are. - I don't think they'd take a small group of fans seriously.
So, in other words before anything could be done we'd have to find some valid points on why and how a Nightrunner mini series would be a good idea, both critically and financially (latter with and without crowd funding taken into account).
Because, honestly, I'm stubborn as a mule on that matter. I want more diversity in my media, I want good quality in this divere media and damnit I will get it and if I have to robb or blackmail a banker (which would make aquiring proper material imperative... which in turn is exactly the point where Seregil would come in handy, alas he's fictional) - well, then... ... ...
That. And then it'd definitely need a huge crowd asking for it. And even among the Nightrunner *fans* there are people who don't want to see a film because they're weary of all the books that were screwed up on screen.
I do wish you the best of luck. :/ But I honestly don't know how to get it to work. I mean fantasy is a popular medium. And there's a lot m/m fans in a lot of fandoms. And still. :/ If you do want to try you might want to start with writing down reasons why you think people might want to watch it (and perhaps already try the list on what might bug them, too, though that could prove demotivating) and then consider the groups you should approach on facebook/tumblr etc to gain support for the project just by indicating how many people would care. - I mean some of the Game of Thorns and Lord of the Rings/Hobbit fans could be interested? And of course the Nightrunner fans themselves. And the fans of other m/m focused fantasy. --- You'd always need to get in touch with the mods of any groups, of course, to ask permission to talk to the group about it. But I do fear that you'd be doing a lot of hard work for something that is unlikely to be realised. :/
IF you do find fans who'd be willing to support it either by indicating their interest or even by promising to donate money to it - you could/should address LF to see if she'd address her fans about it and if she could possibly imagine to talk to her friends. (I'm fairly certain she mentioned being friends with several other writers.)
And I think if you did manage to get fans showing their interest it'd likely be a good idea to find someone who has more of a professional say, like that production company who've been trying to find backing all those years ago. I really don't think fans would be taken seriously by professional backers and such.
Reasons what's so good about Nightrunner and why it should be adapted:
- it is a very interesting, diverse and complex setting, giving room for much creativity when it comes to adapting it.
- the story set in this setting begins as a very solid standard fantasy fare. Let's face it, the premise is not the most original. However, this might proove a low-risk factor; weird premises and unfamiliar stories are eyed with way more scepticism than paths well-walked.
- later plots however, after one is engrossed in this world? Offer even more room for creativity, both visual and how to adapt the story to screen.
- anyways, what's most interesting are a) how the premises are done and b) even more: the characters. The premises are done with twists and turns. People have to figure out by themselves which roles they will play (and boy do they NOT like it); the hint that there always were quartets like the last one gives countless opportunities to twist this whole prophecy thing and turn it on its head (you were not born for just this job, your life was not fucked up only for this - but your life formed your the way that you fit the job description; there had always been others before because there was no way of telling if or whether this would happen). The characters are multidimensional, facetted, complex and in a costant process of learning, growing, developing, changing. Alec is the prime example here, but look at how Seregil changes, look at Thero, look at Micum, Kari and Beka. This makes for one hell of an awesome narrative and poses a nice challenge to every actor.
- Representation: Most obviously, the queer representation. We need way more media with queer characters and a queer narrative that's just that - a character and a narrative that's among other things queer, instead of making the queerness the main defining factor and plot point. I mean - are straight characters defined by their straightness? Nope, probably because it's what people consider "default" -__- - Alec muses a bit about his attraction to Seregil, but at the same time he has other things in mind. Seregil is canonically and very openly queer. And lo and behold, if you had him straight and Alec a girl none of his behaviour or his thought patterns regarding Alec would change (the "he's Dalnan, he wouldn't" aside). See, orientation is a part of our identity. But it's not our defining trait. Making it so is degrading and insulting as hell and just causes people to exclaim: "But you act so... ... so normal, I never would have guessed you're gay!" Books like Nightrunners and adaptations of these can change that bit by bit. Not to mention that maybe, just maybe one or two kids didn't kill themselves because these books helped them realize they're no freaks. Women: We've got a matriarchal monarchy. The army consists 50% of women. The ladies work in any profession. There is no "I'm not like other girls" here. Being a warrior doesn't make you unfeminine. Being a homemaker doesn't make you weak. Sleeping around doesn't make you a slut. (Ylinestra is a bad person, but certainly not for being promiscous in itself.) The possibilities for interesting women are endless. (on that matter, Tamír. Tamír. TAMÍR.) These books pass both the Bechdel-test and the Mako-Mori-Test with flying colours. PoC and ethnic diversity: while one CAN interpret the Aurenfaie as white, that doesn't mean one has to. Even then they have a very distinctive look that makes them easily recognizable. Note also how Alec very often remarks when people have very fair skin or are rather freckled (which occurs mostly to very pale people), indicating he's seen at least some non-white folks even before going to Skala. Traders perhaps. In the same vein he does NOT comment on the skin of Plenimarans even though they probably are very much looking like southern Europeans? This world offers an awesome chance for a diverse representation, just another thing we have way too little around here.
So... fantasy fans who are not shocked by queer main characters (which would include a large chunk of the GoT fandom). Queer demographic. Feminists. PoC; (in places other than America also ethnic minorities that in America qualify as white). And Nightrunner fans (who, admittedly will move in once or more of these groups anyways) ... looks like a not too small potential audience out there, just from the premise alone.
Also interesting might be the factor of "history of slavery, the role of the western world and how we deal with our own role and how we stupidly try to partially justify it in a officially-post-slavery era" that comes up in the later books (the "post-slavery" esp. in the last book if I understand the amazon sneak right)
Much stuff to play with and use and look into. Much stuff to be creative and create something awesome.
I also think - one thing I missed in the books is a look at Plenimar. Maybe we'll get this in the last book, who knows... but I'd love to see more of Plenimaran culture and everyday politics and everyday lives woven in. I think if one tweaks the narrative carefully - not only discussing treaties but showing how they are made and signed... or what the Overlord thinks of Mardus... or how he waits for a cure for his son... such glimpes were missing in the books and I can't think of a way they would have gotten in. Visual media has different opportunities in that regard. It can emphazise one aspect without cutting corners on others... so, how about putting some extra focus on racism?
[before you ask, this was ... 15 minutes writing. and 30 minutes cleaning up typos.]
I fear particularly the POC question is going to be difficult. They're white on the covers of the books and the actors LF suggests are white, too. So at least Seregil and Alec are supposed to be white for all we know. --- I'd (obviously?) prefer it if they weren't. But that's a different story.
And with women we'd need to make sure that the parts that do mention them are made very clear. Before they reach Rhíminee we basically learn that we're dealing with a matriarchal monarchy (and that Alec seems rather shocked by the idea that a woman could take more than one lover, yes, Alec just very clearly believes in monogamy as soon as you're in a relationship, it's just not as clear that he considers that the standards for everyone at the time), but only in Rhíminee do we actually get a clearer view. And that'd probably be half way through Luck. Which if it's split into episodes rather than sold as a whole film might mean we get the first episode or two without any important female characters.
And with the potential Queer viewers we'll have to wait until post April first. If one or both of them die permanently in Shards ---
Lynn PROMISED she'd not go G.R.R. Martin. Also she said she is done. For now. Maybe we'll get another book in a few years... so... if she kills them I'll fly over to Maine and annoy her until she revives them. ... but I'm hopeful I don't need to. :)
And yes, maaaybe a video would be a good idea, but due to my annoying voice and my tendency to a slight stutter when nervous... I'll better leave the talk to someone else and keep on collecting arguments and stringing them together coherently.
... also my spoken english is TERRIBLE. JUST TERRIBLE. Who even cares.
(seriously, after all that Hair talk I drew a connection between Cecil and Seregil...)
Well I'll just wait till I've read Shards. :P (I wouldn't tell the readers if I intended to kill anyone either. It's rather spoilery. .P)
Aww. Well a vid would make it easier to get the message spread to people who don't want to read. But yeah, I can relate. I tend to stutter when I'm nervous, too. :(
Maybe someone else will be willing to do it. - Find the arguments. And consider how to present them. A lot of people like pictures. And nice fonts. And short, snazzy messages. And humour.
... check out "Welcome to Nightvale", a podcast (google it, you find it). It's adorable. And you'll understand around the 3rd or 4th episode... :)
Hmm... ... so... colleecting arguments... writing... working on presentation... finding someone who has a less squeaky voice... ... ... urrrgh, wasn't I supposed to finish my thesis or something? *grins* (However, I found that writing it down already helps stringing the arguments... and as we see, can lead to a rather good discourse... but well, a discourse would work just as well in a face-to-face. ... I really should get a meet up or something started.
Well perhaps you might want to finish the thesis *before* you try to work on this project again? ;) Let it stew a bit. It might help you come up with more arguments.
I realize this thread is a few days old, but I seem to recall several passages saying that the Aurenfaie have brown hair, gray eyes, and olive skin. The covers certainly did interpret Seregil as white, but I suspect the intention was closer to a Middle Eastern aesthetic. Say, the Persia to Skala's Greece.
I'm not sure about the olive skin. (also... nope, they don't all have grey eyes. Nyal? :) )
I remember Eirual being described as olive-skinned and Seregil notes that this is an "exotic" look to him, together with her black curls. If he was olive skinned himself, that would not work... then again, Zengati are neighbours to the Western clans and there ARE ya'shel with them... (the clan dynamics were noted as being... "complex".) So... maybe the skin tones differ between Aurenfaie themselves, depending on where they live? (and well, Lynn definitely imagines Seregil as white too. :/ Too bad, honestly but then again, this never stopped fans and 'faie definitely get PoC treatment in some regards.) ... but seriously, setting someone up as southerner and then have him milky white makes no sense whatsoever.
I definitely remember that 'faie tan quickly, considering the description of their reception in Gedre. So... I think she was more going for southern European. Italian, Greek. Can lean into "olive skin" territory, for Americans it qualifies as Latin, Europeans perceive it as white. ?
They'd need to adapt the books for screen. (I think that got started at some point, so it might just be a job of finishing it if it could be procured from the writer who started or perhaps even finished.) They'd need actors. Stunt doubles (unless the young motivated actors are reckless enough, in which case they'll probably want a health insurance) Animals and animal trainers. Locations. Costumes. Props. Music. Make up. (They get hurt a lot. We wouldn't want Seregil lying around with no wound at all when Nysander, Alec and Thero are busy trying to save his life, would we?) Equipment. And then there's special effects... which is one of the dreadfully expensive things for fantasy that involves all the fighting sounds etc.. and the magic obviously. (But would we want cheap tricks used when they change into animals or bodyswap?) A crew. They'd likely need several weeks/months of shooting, particularly as scenes just do get screwed up at times and weather can become an issue. (And yes, I'm sure a young, motivated crew would put up with some hardships. But they'd need a place to stay. And nourishment.) Add to that that you do have to advertise the movie/mini-series...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Film_budgeting#Elements
I would like to see this if it was well shot. I really would. And I would offer some of my money for it. But. I just don't see how it could be done well unless we manage to exploit all the people involved in making it happen. :/
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The answer would be to find a) more people who'd chip in b) more people and organisations who'd chip more in - I SERIOUSLY wouldn't mind if some jewellery company placed their products on Klias throat and got name dropped under the guise of a Gem cutter or something. Stuff that blends in subtly. (I know I'D wear a brooch like Alecs silver leaves...) And when a company can't fit in subtly, a big spot in the credits is nice too?
c) cutting down and simultanously raising expectations. Instead of hoping we can stem all that money on our own, we might have to look for a company who'd split the costs 50:50.
... which would open another can of worms.
Graaaah.
Let's say it's not impossible, but god damn we've got a nasty bit of work and we haven't even started. *laughs nervously*
(however... if one would take a young, talented team, this WOULD lower the costs considerably, because ... the longer and better your CV the more you cost, even in areas like animation. Which would mean one could pay them good money still without having to worry. Throw in one or two seasoned, big-name actors for support and you a) get someone who ideally does support the rest of the cast and gets them to give their best b) has a pull towards a larger demographic, due to big name c) thus gives both the film the youngsters the neccessary exposure...)
It would be certainly doable with a cooperative, invested producer. Doesn't mean it would be easy, but then again, good works hardly are achieved the easy way.
Aaaaanyways, first let's clear up that rights holding thing.
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I still fear that it can't be done. If you wanted to convince someone that advertising in/after the film would be a good idea you'd need to convince them that there'll be a big audience for the film, but if we're honest, it is a bit of a niche - yes it might get some people who enjoy the m/m and some people who enjoy fantasy and of course the fans - but there'll also be people who'd enjoy the m/m and don't like fantasy or would be shocked about Sebrahn when told to read the books - and there'll be people who're into fantasy but either don't like m/m or are annoyed that there is no leading lady. (I love the female characters in the books. But they're not exactly the main characters and there are quite long scenes that feature no female characters at all.) They'd be foolish to pay a lot of money on a film that might attract less viewers than your average tv show. - Same goes for finding someone who'd overtake some of the production costs. --- If a professional company couldn't find backing, how will amateurs manage? Those people will have a much better idea on how it can be done. And they have a proper name to seal contracts with. Other companies would know who they are. - I don't think they'd take a small group of fans seriously.
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Because, honestly, I'm stubborn as a mule on that matter. I want more diversity in my media, I want good quality in this divere media and damnit I will get it and if I have to robb or blackmail a banker (which would make aquiring proper material imperative... which in turn is exactly the point where Seregil would come in handy, alas he's fictional) - well, then... ... ...
Damn it.
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I do wish you the best of luck. :/ But I honestly don't know how to get it to work. I mean fantasy is a popular medium. And there's a lot m/m fans in a lot of fandoms. And still. :/ If you do want to try you might want to start with writing down reasons why you think people might want to watch it (and perhaps already try the list on what might bug them, too, though that could prove demotivating) and then consider the groups you should approach on facebook/tumblr etc to gain support for the project just by indicating how many people would care. - I mean some of the Game of Thorns and Lord of the Rings/Hobbit fans could be interested? And of course the Nightrunner fans themselves. And the fans of other m/m focused fantasy. --- You'd always need to get in touch with the mods of any groups, of course, to ask permission to talk to the group about it. But I do fear that you'd be doing a lot of hard work for something that is unlikely to be realised. :/
IF you do find fans who'd be willing to support it either by indicating their interest or even by promising to donate money to it - you could/should address LF to see if she'd address her fans about it and if she could possibly imagine to talk to her friends. (I'm fairly certain she mentioned being friends with several other writers.)
And I think if you did manage to get fans showing their interest it'd likely be a good idea to find someone who has more of a professional say, like that production company who've been trying to find backing all those years ago. I really don't think fans would be taken seriously by professional backers and such.
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- it is a very interesting, diverse and complex setting, giving room for much creativity when it comes to adapting it.
- the story set in this setting begins as a very solid standard fantasy fare. Let's face it, the premise is not the most original. However, this might proove a low-risk factor; weird premises and unfamiliar stories are eyed with way more scepticism than paths well-walked.
- later plots however, after one is engrossed in this world? Offer even more room for creativity, both visual and how to adapt the story to screen.
- anyways, what's most interesting are a) how the premises are done and b) even more: the characters.
The premises are done with twists and turns. People have to figure out by themselves which roles they will play (and boy do they NOT like it); the hint that there always were quartets like the last one gives countless opportunities to twist this whole prophecy thing and turn it on its head (you were not born for just this job, your life was not fucked up only for this - but your life formed your the way that you fit the job description; there had always been others before because there was no way of telling if or whether this would happen).
The characters are multidimensional, facetted, complex and in a costant process of learning, growing, developing, changing. Alec is the prime example here, but look at how Seregil changes, look at Thero, look at Micum, Kari and Beka. This makes for one hell of an awesome narrative and poses a nice challenge to every actor.
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- Representation:
Most obviously, the queer representation. We need way more media with queer characters and a queer narrative that's just that - a character and a narrative that's among other things queer, instead of making the queerness the main defining factor and plot point. I mean - are straight characters defined by their straightness? Nope, probably because it's what people consider "default" -__- - Alec muses a bit about his attraction to Seregil, but at the same time he has other things in mind. Seregil is canonically and very openly queer. And lo and behold, if you had him straight and Alec a girl none of his behaviour or his thought patterns regarding Alec would change (the "he's Dalnan, he wouldn't" aside). See, orientation is a part of our identity. But it's not our defining trait. Making it so is degrading and insulting as hell and just causes people to exclaim: "But you act so... ... so normal, I never would have guessed you're gay!"
Books like Nightrunners and adaptations of these can change that bit by bit. Not to mention that maybe, just maybe one or two kids didn't kill themselves because these books helped them realize they're no freaks.
Women: We've got a matriarchal monarchy. The army consists 50% of women. The ladies work in any profession. There is no "I'm not like other girls" here. Being a warrior doesn't make you unfeminine. Being a homemaker doesn't make you weak. Sleeping around doesn't make you a slut. (Ylinestra is a bad person, but certainly not for being promiscous in itself.) The possibilities for interesting women are endless. (on that matter, Tamír. Tamír. TAMÍR.) These books pass both the Bechdel-test and the Mako-Mori-Test with flying colours.
PoC and ethnic diversity: while one CAN interpret the Aurenfaie as white, that doesn't mean one has to. Even then they have a very distinctive look that makes them easily recognizable. Note also how Alec very often remarks when people have very fair skin or are rather freckled (which occurs mostly to very pale people), indicating he's seen at least some non-white folks even before going to Skala. Traders perhaps. In the same vein he does NOT comment on the skin of Plenimarans even though they probably are very much looking like southern Europeans? This world offers an awesome chance for a diverse representation, just another thing we have way too little around here.
So... fantasy fans who are not shocked by queer main characters (which would include a large chunk of the GoT fandom). Queer demographic. Feminists. PoC; (in places other than America also ethnic minorities that in America qualify as white). And Nightrunner fans (who, admittedly will move in once or more of these groups anyways) ... looks like a not too small potential audience out there, just from the premise alone.
Also interesting might be the factor of "history of slavery, the role of the western world and how we deal with our own role and how we stupidly try to partially justify it in a officially-post-slavery era" that comes up in the later books (the "post-slavery" esp. in the last book if I understand the amazon sneak right)
Much stuff to play with and use and look into. Much stuff to be creative and create something awesome.
I also think - one thing I missed in the books is a look at Plenimar. Maybe we'll get this in the last book, who knows... but I'd love to see more of Plenimaran culture and everyday politics and everyday lives woven in. I think if one tweaks the narrative carefully - not only discussing treaties but showing how they are made and signed... or what the Overlord thinks of Mardus... or how he waits for a cure for his son... such glimpes were missing in the books and I can't think of a way they would have gotten in. Visual media has different opportunities in that regard. It can emphazise one aspect without cutting corners on others... so, how about putting some extra focus on racism?
[before you ask, this was ... 15 minutes writing. and 30 minutes cleaning up typos.]
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And with women we'd need to make sure that the parts that do mention them are made very clear. Before they reach Rhíminee we basically learn that we're dealing with a matriarchal monarchy (and that Alec seems rather shocked by the idea that a woman could take more than one lover, yes, Alec just very clearly believes in monogamy as soon as you're in a relationship, it's just not as clear that he considers that the standards for everyone at the time), but only in Rhíminee do we actually get a clearer view. And that'd probably be half way through Luck. Which if it's split into episodes rather than sold as a whole film might mean we get the first episode or two without any important female characters.
And with the potential Queer viewers we'll have to wait until post April first. If one or both of them die permanently in Shards ---
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And yes, maaaybe a video would be a good idea, but due to my annoying voice and my tendency to a slight stutter when nervous... I'll better leave the talk to someone else and keep on collecting arguments and stringing them together coherently.
... also my spoken english is TERRIBLE. JUST TERRIBLE. Who even cares.
(seriously, after all that Hair talk I drew a connection between Cecil and Seregil...)
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Aww. Well a vid would make it easier to get the message spread to people who don't want to read.
But yeah, I can relate. I tend to stutter when I'm nervous, too. :(
Maybe someone else will be willing to do it. - Find the arguments. And consider how to present them. A lot of people like pictures. And nice fonts. And short, snazzy messages. And humour.
Cecil? *confused*
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Hmm... ... so... colleecting arguments... writing... working on presentation... finding someone who has a less squeaky voice... ... ... urrrgh, wasn't I supposed to finish my thesis or something? *grins*
(However, I found that writing it down already helps stringing the arguments... and as we see, can lead to a rather good discourse... but well, a discourse would work just as well in a face-to-face. ... I really should get a meet up or something started.
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Well perhaps you might want to finish the thesis *before* you try to work on this project again? ;) Let it stew a bit. It might help you come up with more arguments.
It certainly does. :)
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I remember Eirual being described as olive-skinned and Seregil notes that this is an "exotic" look to him, together with her black curls. If he was olive skinned himself, that would not work... then again, Zengati are neighbours to the Western clans and there ARE ya'shel with them... (the clan dynamics were noted as being... "complex".)
So... maybe the skin tones differ between Aurenfaie themselves, depending on where they live?
(and well, Lynn definitely imagines Seregil as white too. :/ Too bad, honestly but then again, this never stopped fans and 'faie definitely get PoC treatment in some regards.)
... but seriously, setting someone up as southerner and then have him milky white makes no sense whatsoever.
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I definitely remember that 'faie tan quickly, considering the description of their reception in Gedre. So... I think she was more going for southern European. Italian, Greek. Can lean into "olive skin" territory, for Americans it qualifies as Latin, Europeans perceive it as white. ?
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