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Favorite Final Fantasy Antagonist

Jul 05, 2006 20:11

In your eyes who is the best Final Fantasy antagonist? My friend was telling me that Sephiroth was recognized as the best Final Fantasy villain thus far. I don't blame people for considering him the best. He is very powerful and skilled with a sword, has a very interesting history and his motives are simply outrageous, yet deep. But is mere ( Read more... )

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mimi_sardinia July 6 2006, 02:06:24 UTC

Since you say it, I think you're right about Rufus being more an anti-hero, and AC makes that obvious ( ... )

x_shock_me_x July 6 2006, 06:29:24 UTC

*fangirl squee*

I LOVE Squall and Siefer!!! *ahem* ok I'll go sit overe here and be quiet now...

mimi_sardinia July 6 2006, 06:34:20 UTC

LOL, yeah, Seifer is the fallback for me since my No. 1 OTP has issues which make it less than common.

x_shock_me_x July 9 2006, 17:32:55 UTC

I like Cloud/Squall too so I looveee Kingdom Hearts for making that a possibility! and Cloud/Kadaj, and Cloud/Reno..... *slips into fangirl fantasies*

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summonerluna July 6 2006, 02:23:36 UTC

Hmm to me, what makes a villain great, is his/her reasoning for being an antagonist, and how much they believe in what they are doing. Which honestly, is true for protagonists as well--in real life and in my opinions on characters, I really have very little respect for people who act without reason, or without believing in what they are doing. For instance, I really cannot stand Seifer. To me, Seifer is just a bully. Even though I know for a large portion of the game he is brainwashed...he still does things even if he doesn't not necessarily want to, or if he does not necessarily believe in them. He does them because somebody more powerful than him wants to and he is trying to piggyback on that power ( ... )

neo_rufus July 9 2006, 19:13:58 UTC

Oh yes, the actual reasons for their actions is very important along with how much they believe in their actions. I never looked at it from this point of view and it's quite awesome. I suppose the kinds of antagonist who fight for others beliefs are kind of pitiful. Even I have to admit that it's quite interesting to hear from somebody who doesn't fell sorry for Seifer and pity him. I briefly mentioned in my above comment that even though Seifer wanted to be a knight I don't think he wanted it to be like it was in the game. I'm almost sure destroying people's homes (Trabia Garden) and offering those he once loved was apart of his plans. I'd imagine he simply wanted to serve a sorceress who wasn't all that dark, around his age and form a love life with her, hence the reason his original dream was "romantic." Nevertheless I agree 100% that Seifer wasn't fighting in what he believed in ( ... )

summonerluna July 9 2006, 21:14:02 UTC

This may sound really strange, but I think, had Sephiroth never discovered his origins, that he would have ended up dying a glorious death as a war hero and would have been praised in death. However...I think also that inevitably some organization--be it Avalanche or not--would have risen up against ShinRa thus forcing Sephiroth into conflict, and that somewhere in the battle information about the Jenova project would be discovered and he would still go mad ( ... )

glacial_phoenix July 13 2006, 13:41:36 UTC

Allow me to make a guess at the root of Seifer's problems, then :P

I perceive him as someone who's very intelligent and hence extremely accomplished at what he does, to the point where everyone else around him isn't a rival except Squall. That's probably why they're constantly fighting - they're the only two who can remotely present any sort of challenge to each other. And Seifer - well, he's at the top, he's got nobody else in his class that could match up to his abilities; he's probably perfectionistic as well.

And he knows he's brilliant; or at least, he is in comparison to the rest of his class, but nobody seems to agree with him. Instead he's the problem child, the student with the attitude problem, always being put down for questioning authority. And who's held up as the model of SeeD perfection? Squall. Squall who got more attention from Matron Edea as a child, Squall who still gets all the praise and attention that Seifer feels he deserves. And there we have Seifer, who's brilliant and talented and maybe romantic in a world ( ... )

chaosperfected July 6 2006, 04:46:45 UTC

Now see, I never really had a fave villan, or could pin point the best villan in any FF game I've played ( ... )

neo_rufus July 9 2006, 19:29:44 UTC

Although I am lacking on the details of FF9 it does sound like this villain is indeed a good manipulator. His plan sounded organized and had everybody pretty much fooled.

Very interesting indeed. :)

glacial_phoenix July 13 2006, 13:12:56 UTC

Hmm, I agree with you that Kuja's a good manipulator :) I've never really seen him that way, though, possibly because I've always held Kefka as the villain.

chaosperfected July 14 2006, 00:24:12 UTC

havent played the FF where Kefka is the villan, so thats why I chose Kuja.
He's not the "best" but he's good at manipulating.
I dare say, if all the worlds of FF were connected somehow, Seymore Guado took lessons from Kuja, and then just upped the stakes a whole lot more.

XD

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x_shock_me_x July 6 2006, 06:32:31 UTC

I agree with Seymour. And mostly because of his powers of manipulation. He knew how to get to people. Plus his battles were always interesting, especially the last one with the wheels with the symbols on!

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neo_rufus July 9 2006, 19:31:40 UTC

Pretty much well said. :)

His battles were the best! He's the only boss I can think of who has had so many different boss themes. :P

bulastar July 6 2006, 10:46:08 UTC

I wonder what makes a good video game villain. I hate Sephiroth, but I like defeating him, so does that make him a good villain?

But then again, I think Kefka (Final Fantasy VI) was a great villain because he had absolutely no compassion, killed indiscriminately, backstabbed, etc. Plus he actually achieved god-like powers and ruined the world. There were no reasons behind his actions except that he thought life was pointless and wanted to destroy for his own amusement. To some this might seem cliche and two-dimensional, but does one need detailed back-story, justified reasons etc. in order to be a good villain? I don't think so. Kefka was just insane, that's all.

neo_rufus July 9 2006, 19:41:44 UTC

Interesting question! Maybe it's all the stress he put you through during the entire game which made his demise more satisfying. You might have liked fighting him but it could be for different reasons. If the boss music sucked I think that would change your views about him. But to answer your question I don't think the pleasure you gain by beating him doesn't make him a good villain. I had fun killing Ultimecia but I don't really think of her as a good villain. It’s only because she is so underdeveloped. :P

Well it depends on how much background information the game reveals about the villain’s past. If there was none what so ever like Ultimecia then that would kind of suck. However, this villain you talk about seems to have made many appearances and you learned allot about him because of his present events. So I wouldn't say the past is a major requirement, but its part of it. ;)

But this antagonist you speak of sounds pretty interesting.