Zell's Big Mouth

[neo_rufus]

Ok so today I'm going to do something a little bit different. Normally, I would have 1 main debate topic to discuss, but today, I'm going to do 2 in 1 entry. I think it'll be fun. I'm aware that we have all talked about events in various Final Fantasy games, and how things would change if one event was to not happen at all. This entry is similar to

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[neo_rufus]

Oh yes, I do remember the dialog that Quistis says that Seifer had said. I can't remember the quote either, but I know she said something about how he was upset that they sent 3 rookies for this mission. What's ironic is that Seifer is usually the one who tends to get in over his head. But I do see what you mean though. ;)

Concern for Rinoa could have indeed been the reason why he left. After all, Seifer tends to think of himself as a "romantic hero," so saving/protecting Rinoa would have fallen under the category. The point about Rinoa proving to be her father what she can do is a very good point. I thought she began to start proving herself during Edea's parade. Then again, her father came into the scene later on, so it would explain why we were at the time unaware of her feelings.

Wow, you are good, lol. But quite frankly, I can see Rinoa's dad not doing anything to get her out of that kind of sticky situation. He'll probably use that as a life lesson for her that is if execution wasn’t the punishment. That would mean Seifer was well aware of what kind of man Rinoa's dad was. I find it interesting Rinoa would bring him up, well sort off. It makes you wonder how Seifer felt about the Forest Owls, and their beliefs. :)

Yeah, point taken. Even if Seifer was to calm down, there were bond to be more opportunities to manipulate Seifer. In a way, maybe the only way for Seifer to be free of his dark emotions was to be a knight, and then be defeated, thus learning the error of his ways, instead of just not being a knight all together. Just a theory. :P

[mimi_sardinia]

But quite frankly, I can see Rinoa's dad not doing anything to get her out of that kind of sticky situation. He'll probably use that as a life lesson for her that is if execution wasn't the punishment.

I don't know, I always presumed that it was Carroway's doing that Rinoa got released from the D-District prision - when Irvine takes her away and she threatens to scratch him to hell if he doesn't turn back to get the others.

[neo_rufus]

Now that you mention it, was he really the one who got them out? It does sound quite likely though. It just makes you wonder what else he could have been responsible for. Talk* about you’re "anonymous benefiter."

[mimi_sardinia]

The anonymous benifactor (I presume you mean the Winhill one), I tend to think of that being Laguna. Carroway has no connection to Winhill while Laguna has a very obvious one, what with it being Raine's hometown and the location of a very happy period of his life.

[neo_rufus]

Sorry I took so long to reply, I had to step out for a while. :(

Yes, you got it...I was referring to the Winhill one. Part of me had a hunch that Laguna helped you out in the sidelines throughout the game. :)

Now that you mention it, I'd say Winhill was my favorite place in the FF8 world. Had nice soothing music. ;)

[mimi_sardinia]

I have read at least a couple of fics that had the idea that Esthar had intelligence agents out gathering information about the rest of the world. I personally think that would be highly probable and downright a wise thing for a nation to do - even one as isolationist as Esthar.

I don't know so much about Laguna helping along the way, I tend to think he didn't know he had a son until not long before he met Squall - whether it was Ellone who told him or he made the connection through reading intelligence reports (this would also depend on how much you believe that Raine's maiden name was Leonhart).

I do know Esthari were against the Galbadians during the whole hunt for Ellone - the flashback on the White SeeD ship states that they fought off the Galbadians harrassing the White SeeD and tried to encourage them to accept Esthari protection.

Something else I saw in a fanfic (a moderately bad one by an author who had at least a couple of horrific trainwrecks but managed to come up with one good idea in one of her shorter pieces) the idea that Laguna's attempts to find Ellone might have been noticed by Edea an forced her to move Ellone onto the White SeeD ship quicker because no one probably knew what happened to Adel so they didn't know Esthar was not the enemy anymore.

Winhill was nice, a sweet little country town whose only fault seems to be some xenophobia (remember, they disliked Laguna). Besides, the kick-the-chicobo minigame is amusing. XD

[neo_rufus]

That does sound quite possible. Esthar is a pretty big and advanced city, not to mention gathering information for Dr. Odine's research could have been on the top of these agents’ "to do lists." I use to hate that city though, I kept getting lost. :P

Yeah, true that. It is a mystery about how he found out. I know this is a bit off topic, but some other fans tend to debate about Squall's birthplace. Is it pretty safe to say Winhill? I suppose it is quite likely, and he probably then moved to Edea's orphanage from there.

I remember some crazy story about who Ellone was being hidden from. In fact, i recall a friend saying Edea was also hiding Ellone from herself? Something about before Matron was being controlled, she had Ellone hidden so when Matron was being controlled, then she would not find her. I really have to read up on it again. :P

But the idea of Edea hiding Ellone from Laguna is pretty deep. How ironic, a great theory from a bad story. Go figure. But I do love the idea. It sounds quite possible to me. :)

Heh, that mini game brought back memories. :)

[mimi_sardinia]

Heh, getting lost in Esthar is a bit easy, and annoying if it happens during the "Catch the Pandora!" scene.

The only way I can see doubt being cast on Squall's place of birth is if people discount the idea that Raine and Laguna are his parents. Ellone was sent back to Winhill and she states herself that she was reunited with Raine (she was present when Raine gave birth).

Oh I think the main canon reason why Edea had to get Ellone shipped off was because of Ultimecia, but not knowing the situation in Esthar could make the issue more urgent however there's nothing in canon that says that - I just thought it a good idea for complicating the situation. Besides, Laguna looking for Ellone being the reason why he can't find her is a bit ironic.